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Reloads For Concealed Carry Against The Law?

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by PCCUSNRET, Apr 7, 2013.

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  1. PCCUSNRET

    PCCUSNRET Member

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    Neice's husband told me yesterday that it is illegal to use reloads for concealed carry in Ohio. Is this fact or fiction?
     
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    No! Not against the law, but very very bad idea. Read Massad Ayoob's books for an in depth explanation why.
     
  3. Sol

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    Fiction. Supposedly there was a case a guy used (during self defense) reloads that were hot and was found guilty of murder...that being said I cannot confirm or deny that case actually exists.
     
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    fiction, though there's a concern by some folks that if you used handloaded ammunition in a self defense situation an anti-RKBA prosecutor could try to make an example out of you. the more appropriate concern is that some people prefer factory self defense ammo for reliability (though most on this forum would argue their hand loads are more reliable than factory). Personally, until I can Hydra-Shok bulllets and load them myself I use factory ammo in my HD firearm. But I don't see anything wrong with using handloads either.
     
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    No but there are considerations ...

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=648456&highlight=defensive+rounds


     
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    Fiction is my guess. Everything I read in the ORC mentions nothing about the choice of ammunition. It would be nice if the niece's husband could provide something in the ORC as I sure can't find it.

    While the argument can be made factory ammunition is more reliable or that someone can hand load making more destructive ammunition opening the door for civil arguments I see no reason not to use hand loads if you have confidence in them.

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    IMO: A shooter facing a jury has much larger problems than the type of ammunition used in that shoot. Handgun editor Sheriff Jim Wilson and a retired federal judge searched high and low for a shooting case where the use of handloads made a difference in the jurys decision: They found none.
     
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    Consider this. Much, much more info at the linked thread even with Masaad Ayoob commenting on the thread - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7855911#post7855911

     
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    here we go again....
     
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    Yesterday a thread about giving up the AR for HD because of bad press and possible negative jury influence. This handloads for SD/HD discussion has gone around a bunch of times.

    My take: arguing that the use of a legal means of defending oneself could be trouble in court means that one is not very confident in his ability to make a proper shoot/don't shoot decision. If I have to shoot, whether I can win my court case is really moot--I'm alive, probably because I made the shoot decision.

    If I properly defend myself or my family, whether I fire an AR with handloaded cartridges is utterly beside the point, and if a jury decides otherwise--well, I guess I don't have to worry about what to make for dinner.
     
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    Mas Ayoobs reasoning has never occured. Not once. Pure speculation of an event thats fiction.

    Its the daniel bias case. He was found guilty because he shot his wife. Bullet entry angle, etc., was all the evidence needed.

    This is a topic thats been beaten to death. If you dont want to do it dont. If you do, then do it. If your shoot is justified, its justified, end of story. I will continue to use my handloads. I like to knoew that every primer has priming compound, that every powder charge is perfect, etc. I trust my loads with my life.
     
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    while I understand the cautious reasoning of recommending not to use reloads, it doesn't really make much sense when applied to other factors.

    For instance, should you not use hollow points? Couldn't a prosecutor say that you were attempting to inflict maximum damage? Can you not shoot a .357 or .44 when a .32 or .380 could have sufficed?

    With all those other factors, a prosecution could theoretically point you out to be a blood-thirsty killer (they probably already will), but I've always heard people recommend using as much gun as you can shoot accurately, and I've never heard anyone recommend a smaller caliber or less effective round so that you can be viewed favorably by a jury if you're put on trial.

    That being said, I personally heed the advice to shoot factory ammo for SD.
     
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    Popcorn, anyone?...:rolleyes:
     
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    I have actually consulted with a personal defense attorney about your question. He said that there is no case history of such, and absolutely no law that exists regarding such. Now I would imagine that in today's constantly challenging and changing 2nd amendment times that this is certain to gain more attention than ever before, but for the moment we are OK.

    GS
     
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    If not using a reload that isn't too far from the norm, how
    Would the prosecution know anyways ?? :uhoh:

    Semper Fi
     
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    What I'm saying is, "Prove It." :)
     
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    I have heard the many reasons for and against using reloads for self defense and I apologize if my question wasn't clear. My neice's husband was told by the individual conducting his CCW training it was against the law in Ohio to have reloads in his conceal carry gun. I had never heard this before and was curious as to how this would be checked if true. For my personal CCW I use commercial ammo but would use my reloads if that was all I had available.
     
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    Easy fix, make your first round a hot reload. And every other round factory, this way there will be no evidence of a reload or hot round.

    :neener:
     
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    Just because he was teaching a class doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. Check OH law yourself to find out if he was telling the truth. This is one topic that comes up constantly because people don't search before they create a new thread.


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  23. Clippers

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    If I use a ballbat to protect myself, can I use one I made myself? Does it matter if I use wood or aluminum?
    I also wonder if it would make a difference in court if the criminal I shot defending myself was also using reloads?
     
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    I will use whatever I have to defend myself and my loved ones. Be it a homemade bat, slingshot or reloaded ammo, I will do whatever I can to preserve my life. I will deal with the civil consequences later, if I survive. I say that because I'd rather be alive and broke from litigation than dead below the soil line.

    We see this time and time again here and get nowhere.....Now, back to the your regular program...
     
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    Problem with that it's you just made evidence against yourself. Why would you try to hide facts?

    Back on subject. There is no law that I know of in Ohio. It does seem to change every week tho. Must of Ohio law doesn't make any sense to me. You need to try to keep up with Ohio's ever changing code yourself.
     
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