Remington 11 Police project help

[Guillermo]

Okay folks.

I have a Remington 11 and I would like to turn it into something like this (Browning A-5 Police)



Someone has cut the stock WAY TOO short so I need a "new" one.

I also need the 8 round extended magazine and the forestock.

So the first questions that immediately come to mind are...


is there an 8 round Browning extended mag available?

If so is it interchangeable?

Is the longer Browning forestock available?

Is it interchangeable?

I have dinked about the net and not found anything...but it is a safe bet that some of you shotgun masters might be able to steer me in the right direction better than Google or Bing.

 

[husker]

Im no pro on the subject. Although the the Rem & Browning look alike. I dnt think the parts are interchangeable. Im pretty sure I read that on hear a year ago or so. Beautiful shot gun. I hope you find what you are looking for. I have been itching for a Rem mod 11 for some time now.

http://www.gun-parts.com/remingtonshotgun/

hope this link helps you

 

[Guillermo]

Thanks Husker,

It seems like some of the parts are interchangeable, some are not.

That is why I put it out to the experts on THR.

They have never let me down

 

[Gordon]

The forestock is unobtanium !
You can fabricate with very little effort a Remington 1100 extension to fit it.
You can get butt stocks easily enough. I believe a Ram Line should fit for instance.
That A-5 police/military model is extremely rare and valuable.No Remington equivalents were made BTW

 

[husker]

Man Im in love with that picture

 

[Guillermo]

The forestock is unobtanium

was afraid of that...but I know a guy that can take a piece of wood and carve a working small block chevy out of it. It will cost a bit and take him a while...but he can replicate it.

No Remington equivalents were made BTW

I know.
Not sure why I am using a Remington. Probably because the model 11 is such an interesting story.
Certainly not going to try to make sense out of it...the whole project is silly.

 

[EMC45]

The Ramline kits for a Browning DO NOT work for the Model 11. I bought them and had to send them back. I bought a new buttstock from Brownells and fit it for my Model 11. Browning screws are metric and Model 11 screws are standard. The Mag tube spring and other assorted springs are interchangeable, but the screws are not. Also the friction ring is a part you can swap. I don't think the barrels will work on both. One or the other. Remington DID make an equivilent to this. I have a pic in a gun magazine from the 60s. Looks just like that. I think they were marketed for LE and prison duties.

 

[451 Detonics]

There were mag tube extensions made for thg A-5 but the big nut would pose problems with the forend. I think you would be better off buying a replacement tube and having a good welder make the extended tube one piece. Brownells sells the tubes as well as Numrich Arms.

 

[35Rem]

The Model 11/A-5 forends are fragile enough as designed. I can't imagine that one that long would be very durable.
I would suggest adding a magazine extention and go with that.
Those prison guard A-5's are really cool looking, but can't be very practical.

 

[danprkr]

You're right Guillermo, it's silly. But to each his own. Enjoy

 

[amd6547]

The Ramline fore-end fit my model 11 perfectly. The buttstock requires the receiver Tangs to be heated and bent.
I have heard the 870 extensions fit on the model 11 tube, but that they require a spacer, since the threaded portion of the model 11 tube is shorter than the tube on an 870. Some use a modified model 11 fore-end cap as the spacer, others use a fabbed sling mount.

 

[Guillermo]

The Model 11/A-5 forends are fragile enough as designed. I can't imagine that one that long would be very durable

good point,

I wonder if a thin coat of fiberglass resin on the inside might make it more durable

 

[451 Detonics]

I would think as long as you didn't beat on the forearm it would be fine, it is supported at both ends and don't see why it would be anymore fragile than a shorter one. It isn't a structural support and isn't under any stress after all.

 

[G21NE]

Time for a noob question- did Remington pay to use the Browining A-5 design or is the similarity just a coincidence?

 

[rcmodel]

It isn't a structural support and isn't under any stress after all.

Actually it is.
The front of the forearm is all that stops the foreword barrel travel every time it cycles.
They crack when people forget to keep the mag cap tightened down.

It is also apparent that the barrel on the police model is not at all the same as a standard barrel. The guide ring on the extended mag barrel has to be located that much further down the barrel to be in the right place for the friction system to work with the end of the forearm being the barrel stop.


I do not believe a screw-on mag extension would be such a hot idea on a long-recoil Model 11 or A-5. Nor do I think it would work for the above reason on the police model.

Was I to do it, I would make a full length extended tube out of steel stock so there would be no joint in the middle of the mag tube. Then, the guide ring on the barrel would have to be relocated further foreword, where it would have to be to operate with the friction rings.

did Remington pay to use the Browining A-5 design or is the similarity just a coincidence?

The Browning semi-auto shotgun design was licensed by John Browning to FN in Europe in 1902.
It was licensed to Remington in the United States and introduced as the Model 11 in 1905.

rc

 

[Guillermo]

The way I understand the story, Browning went to Winchester who refused to pay his price.

He then went to Remington who was excited about producing the Auto 5. Unfortunately the president of the company died and put everything into a tailspin.

Browning went to FN who jumped at the chance.

Remington bought the rights to use the design and started producing the Model 11

Along the line Browning contracted with Remington to start making the Browning Auto. So at one time Remington was making both the Model 11 and the Auto 5.

Savage also bought the rights to produce it but by then, there was more competition from other designs and they gave it up after a few years.

Some historian will come along soon and set this story straight

 

[BAD_KARMA]

One for sale http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=222538037

That said, I never even saw one of these before I read your post. I have handled and owned a lot of humpback guns over the years.

As to making one....
2 options
1. keep regular forearm. Easy to do. An 1100/870 mag extension works with a 1/8 inch spacer added. I used a sling attachment for mine. You CANNOT use a barrel clamp with these guns so I like the 7 shot extensions to keep them from bending and over torquing the whole mag tube. Remember a long recoil gun with a bent mag tube is a club.

2. the hard way. make new mag tube. move barrel lug to end. Custom forend. custom recoil spring. unless your very handy the 2100 buy it now on the auction is cheap.