Remington 141 twist rate?

[Buck13]

Stopped in a used gun shop today and they had a Remington 141 in .35 Remington. I have no obvious need for one of these, but none-the-less I find it kinda appealing. A few questions:

What is the twist rate on this barrel?

Any particular things to look for in assessing one of these?

What would be a reasonable price for one in good condition?

 

[Gordon]

1 in 15" comes to mind, had a couple they stabilize up to 225 grain bullets.They were optimize d for 200 grains at around 2000 fps and are one of the sweetest pumps ever made. They CAN take pointed bullets because of the unique magazine design.

 

[351 WINCHESTER]

1 in 16" was standard for Remington

 

[JT-AR-MG42]

reasonable price for one in good condition?

'Good' covers too much ground for estimates without photos.
A quick trip to GB's pages should suffice for a ballpark number.
If you get it and do a dis-assembly, you'll see some amazing fitting and so many machine operations that
you will wonder how Remington ever sold them at a profit.

Any particular things to look for in assessing one of these?

I would ask the shop if I could cyle a few 'dummy' rounds thru it.
The action is meant to be worked briskly, however it should feel absolutely smooth throughout the cycle.
I would give the bolt face (heavy primer cut on boltface) and the muzzle (improperly used steel cleaning rods) a good look.

I've got quite a few different CF hunting rifles to choose from if my ML tag is not drawn.
Invariably, the .35 gets the call in any close country.
In action, the gun cycles so fast and effortlessly, you'll tend to forget you did it.
Here's mine with a 3x Leupold in Buehler rings.


Good luck with your decisions.

JT

 

[earlthegoat2]

I bought this one on GB several months ago for $450 before shipping. After shipping, taxes, and transfer it was basically $550. It has a recoil pad added and a few marks on the wood but the metal was perfect and no holes were drilled in the receiver.

I would have no problem paying $550 OTD for one at a shop or show. At the time, 141s were selling on GB anywhere from $450 to $650 so I was glad to get it at the lowest end of the range.

Don’t really know about the twist rate but it shoots 200 gr CoreLokts very well.

 

[MachIVshooter]

For one that has good wood and a decent amount of finish remaining on the receiver with no Bubba alterations, I would expect to be somewhere in the $600-$900 range. A really nice one will go 4 figures.

They're great rifles. I don't have a 141, but have a super clean 14 in .32 rem and another that I need to redo the "refurb" on in .25 rem. The latter I gave around $600 for earlier this year, though i wouldn't have if I'd been able to inspect it physically. But eh, the .25 cals are less common and typically go higher than .30 & .32, and I have a thing for quarterbores.

The .35 Rem is sort of in that cartridge family, but it's dimensionally different from the other 3 beyond just caliber, slightly shorter and fatter case.

 

[MachIVshooter]

I bought this one on GB several months ago for $450 before shipping.

You got really lucky on that one, I would have expected one in that condition to go over $800. It happens, though. I recently scored a nice 1902 Marlin 1893 short rifle in .25-36 with octagon barrel for $611, a gun that would normally bid up around a grand, perhaps even $1,100 or $1,200. Some of the auctions just don't get the normal amount of attention for reasons unknown.

Then there are the ones that go stupid. I was recently watching a LNIB Remington model 51 .32, had just a hint of wear from rubbing in the box. Manual, etc. figured one that nice would easily go $2k, but the $5,175 ending bid shocked me, way over what I would be willing to pay.

 

[Jeff olson]

You got really lucky on that one, I would have expected one in that condition to go over $800. It happens, though. I recently scored a nice 1902 Marlin 1893 short rifle in .25-36 with octagon barrel for $611, a gun that would normally bid up around a grand, perhaps even $1,100 or $1,200. Some of the auctions just don't get the normal amount of attention for reasons unknown.

Then there are the ones that go stupid. I was recently watching a LNIB Remington model 51 .32, had just a hint of wear from rubbing in the box. Manual, etc. figured one that nice would easily go $2k, but the $5,175 ending bid shocked me, way over what I would be willing to pay.

Are you kidding me????

 

[Jeff olson]

My 141. I'm sure it's been fired, but I can't tell.

 

[Jeff olson]

You got really lucky on that one, I would have expected one in that condition to go over $800. It happens, though. I recently scored a nice 1902 Marlin 1893 short rifle in .25-36 with octagon barrel for $611, a gun that would normally bid up around a grand, perhaps even $1,100 or $1,200. Some of the auctions just don't get the normal amount of attention for reasons unknown.

Then there are the ones that go stupid. I was recently watching a LNIB Remington model 51 .32, had just a hint of wear from rubbing in the box. Manual, etc. figured one that nice would easily go $2k, but the $5,175 ending bid shocked me, way over what I would be willing to pay.

I might have one on the market soon then. Only in 380.

 

[Jim Watson]

PA 51 is unusual among pocket pistols, introduced in ..380 and much more common than latecomer .32.

I was slightly acquainted with a tough old school cop who preferred the .35 M141 pump to all other potential LE shoulder weapons.

 

[MachIVshooter]

Are you kidding me????

This one was truly exceptional

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/914820529

The normal range for a 51 in good to VG condition is more like $550-$700, a bit more for .32s

 

[d2wing]

My son is coveting mine that was my dad's. Never for sale.

 

[Jeff olson]

You got really lucky on that one, I would have expected one in that condition to go over $800. It happens, though. I recently scored a nice 1902 Marlin 1893 short rifle in .25-36 with octagon barrel for $611, a gun that would normally bid up around a grand, perhaps even $1,100 or $1,200. Some of the auctions just don't get the normal amount of attention for reasons unknown.

Then there are the ones that go stupid. I was recently watching a LNIB Remington model 51 .32, had just a hint of wear from rubbing in the box. Manual, etc. figured one that nice would easily go $2k, but the $5,175 ending bid shocked me, way over what I would be willing to pay.

Your post inspired me to dig mine out and double check. I bought this from an old friend to settle his dad's estate. I don't know why I keep thinking it's 380. Probably because of the box. It is 99% if not 100. Never fired. No cleaning tools though.

 

[MachIVshooter]

Your post inspired me to dig mine out and double check. I bought this from an old friend to settle his dad's estate. I don't know why I keep thinking it's 380. Probably because of the box. It is 99% if not 100. Never fired. No cleaning tools though.View attachment 1040752 View attachment 1040753 View attachment 1040754 View attachment 1040755

I'm sure that would fetch a pretty penny. Maybe not quite $5k, but I'd bet we'll into 4 figures, $3k+.

There weren't all that many of the 51s to begin with, about 90% were .380, and the average condition is nearer good than VG, not too many excellent or like new.

 

[MachIVshooter]

Well, my new 51 .32 showed up today. And I don't just mean new to me; I believe this thing has never been fired, not a hint of carbon or rubbed brass or copper anywhere, and everything is still so crisp it took considerable effort to break loose the delay mechanism racking the slide the first time.

No box or accessories, but I've never been one to much care about that. Nice if they are there, but won't pay extra for them.






Looks good paired up with my well used, Moly Resin refinished .380



Interestingly, the barrel on this one is marked both "32 cal" and then under that "7.65mm". Never seen this, thinking maybe it was meant for export. Anyone know?

 

[Dave DeLaurant]

Your post inspired me to dig mine out and double check. I bought this from an old friend to settle his dad's estate. I don't know why I keep thinking it's 380. Probably because of the box. It is 99% if not 100. Never fired. No cleaning tools though.View attachment 1040752 View attachment 1040753 View attachment 1040754 View attachment 1040755

Interesting that you've mentioned the 141 and 51 in the same posting -- both have direct connections with designer John Pedersen. The Model 51 was pure Pedersen; he was also responsible for the design of the original Model 14, which was remodeled into the 141 in 1935: https://www.remingtonsociety.org/remington-model-141-carbines/

Forgotten Weapons did an overview of his entire range of firearms:

 

[MachIVshooter]

both have direct connections with designer John Pedersen.

As did nearly everything Remington introduced during the early 20th.

I'm a huge fan of Pedersen designs, in addition to the now pair of model 51s, have two 14s in .25 and .32 cal, 12A, 12C, a 12 ga model 10 and a .25-20 model 25.

Like my Browning designed 8, 11 and 24 plenty as well!

And of course the Pedersen and Browning designed Ithaca 37.