As some one who has Remington 510, 511, and 512 bolt action .22s, I am wondering about the 513-T Matchmaster. Is it built similar to the other 5-teens, or does it have other features—trigger, barrel, stock, etc—that make it more accurate than say the 511? Just curious, thanks.
Remington 513-T vs other 5-teens
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CraigC
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For years I was on the lookout for a nice 513 but the 541 was always more appealing. Better stock shape and the triggerguard is normal sized.
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CraigC, now you have me curious. I grabbed a 5xx from a coworker some years back for a bill, I need to check and see what it is. I’ve never even shot it.
I had a 513 many years ago. I seem to recall it being the same as the other 5-teens except for barrel, stock, and sights. Action and trigger were the same. The other pictured rifle is a 541, a completely different rifle action and trigger than the 5-teens.
CraigC
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You're right, brain fart.
kBob
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From 1968 to 1972 I was around 513T rifles a good bit.
They were the rifles used for Basic Rifle Marksmanship (BRM) in our School JROTC program. The first year cadets went through BRM. I seem to recall the least ammo expenditure per Cadet was 65 rounds and what with “Bolos” (Failure to Qualify) and retraining up to about double that.
Each following year Cadets of each class would shoot familiarization Which usually meant 15-60 rounds.
The rifles had heavier barrels than “sporting rifles” and better sights. The stocks were bulkier as well and much like the Shape of M-1 Rifles and M-14 Rifles.
The 513T were also the lower tier Rifle Team rifles. First Team had Winchester 52 D rifles but second team and “alternates” Shot 513T rifles.
If a Second team Member wanted a 52D all he had to do was turn in a better “Quarter Course” of 10 rounds prone, 10 rounds Kneeling, and 10 rounds Standing with a 513T than the worst First teamer with his Winchester 52D. Actually that forth First Team slot changed hands a couple of times a semester.
Around 1980 I was using my GI Bill to attend Florida State University And Took ROTC there. Again the 513T was used for BRM. The Rifleteam at FSU had a couple of 54 Annie’ and Winchester 52D for the first and second team shooters and alternatives used 513Ts for training.
My Senior Year as Cadet Assistant Training Officer another Prior Service Cadet and I hot M-16a1 rifles and Cobra brand .22 firing devices. The Junior class redid BRM and did a familiarization of about 30 rounds of .22 Long Rifle in the M-16a1 rifles.
We then Scheduled a training day and arranged transportation to a Police Academy between Tallahassee and Quincy. Among other things we had all the Juniors (fresh from BRM with 513T and Fam-Fire with .22LR in M-16a1 rifles) Fire a fam fire of 9 rounds 5.56 ball to zero at 25 meters and 6 rounds at 100 meters.
Folks were amazed that FSU Juniors took the Marksmanship Streamer at Advanced Camp at Ft. Bragg that Summer. I was not amazed but rather proud.
513T rifles gave them the strong foundation for that success.
As a trooper (both enlisted and Commissioned) I never understood why every Kasserne in Europe did not have a 50 foot or 25 Meter indoor range with 513T and decent .22 LR Ammo available.
I know 2nd ACR up at Fulda had a 50!foot indoor and .22 Adaptors for use in Troopers’ assigned rifles, but I knew of no other such places.
I believe such training greatly increases the ability of the individual trooper to strengthen one leg of the Combat Triad “Shoot! Move! Communicate!” and by having to spend less time and resources going to and coming from distant rifle ranges, have more time and resources to devote to the other legs.
To me the 513T is the perfect BRM rifle to developing good marksman ship. It is more than accurate enough for 95% of shooters and with good sights an excellent teacher of sight manipulation.
Sorry to babble and many of you had heard those stories before (tough! not everyone has)
Now I have to go play with my 510….
-kBob
They were the rifles used for Basic Rifle Marksmanship (BRM) in our School JROTC program. The first year cadets went through BRM. I seem to recall the least ammo expenditure per Cadet was 65 rounds and what with “Bolos” (Failure to Qualify) and retraining up to about double that.
Each following year Cadets of each class would shoot familiarization Which usually meant 15-60 rounds.
The rifles had heavier barrels than “sporting rifles” and better sights. The stocks were bulkier as well and much like the Shape of M-1 Rifles and M-14 Rifles.
The 513T were also the lower tier Rifle Team rifles. First Team had Winchester 52 D rifles but second team and “alternates” Shot 513T rifles.
If a Second team Member wanted a 52D all he had to do was turn in a better “Quarter Course” of 10 rounds prone, 10 rounds Kneeling, and 10 rounds Standing with a 513T than the worst First teamer with his Winchester 52D. Actually that forth First Team slot changed hands a couple of times a semester.
Around 1980 I was using my GI Bill to attend Florida State University And Took ROTC there. Again the 513T was used for BRM. The Rifleteam at FSU had a couple of 54 Annie’ and Winchester 52D for the first and second team shooters and alternatives used 513Ts for training.
My Senior Year as Cadet Assistant Training Officer another Prior Service Cadet and I hot M-16a1 rifles and Cobra brand .22 firing devices. The Junior class redid BRM and did a familiarization of about 30 rounds of .22 Long Rifle in the M-16a1 rifles.
We then Scheduled a training day and arranged transportation to a Police Academy between Tallahassee and Quincy. Among other things we had all the Juniors (fresh from BRM with 513T and Fam-Fire with .22LR in M-16a1 rifles) Fire a fam fire of 9 rounds 5.56 ball to zero at 25 meters and 6 rounds at 100 meters.
Folks were amazed that FSU Juniors took the Marksmanship Streamer at Advanced Camp at Ft. Bragg that Summer. I was not amazed but rather proud.
513T rifles gave them the strong foundation for that success.
As a trooper (both enlisted and Commissioned) I never understood why every Kasserne in Europe did not have a 50 foot or 25 Meter indoor range with 513T and decent .22 LR Ammo available.
I know 2nd ACR up at Fulda had a 50!foot indoor and .22 Adaptors for use in Troopers’ assigned rifles, but I knew of no other such places.
I believe such training greatly increases the ability of the individual trooper to strengthen one leg of the Combat Triad “Shoot! Move! Communicate!” and by having to spend less time and resources going to and coming from distant rifle ranges, have more time and resources to devote to the other legs.
To me the 513T is the perfect BRM rifle to developing good marksman ship. It is more than accurate enough for 95% of shooters and with good sights an excellent teacher of sight manipulation.
Sorry to babble and many of you had heard those stories before (tough! not everyone has)
Now I have to go play with my 510….
-kBob
Shanghai McCoy
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Long ago and far away, as a teen I shot in the junior marksmanship club. Most of the rifles we had were 513 Remingtons.
A friend had 513 with a lighter barrel that he used as a light varmint rifle, mostly for hunting ground squirrels.
A friend had 513 with a lighter barrel that he used as a light varmint rifle, mostly for hunting ground squirrels.
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Back in the 60's the DCM issued our club with a few Remington 40X and Winchester Model 52 Target rifles, and a dozen or so Remington 513T Target models.
The action was about the same as the other 5 series rifles, only with a heavy Target stock, heavy barrel, full Target Globe front sight and Target aperture rear sight, and an adjustable trigger.
The other 5 series were sporting-plinking rifles, but the 513T was an entry level full on Target rifle.
The action was about the same as the other 5 series rifles, only with a heavy Target stock, heavy barrel, full Target Globe front sight and Target aperture rear sight, and an adjustable trigger.
The other 5 series were sporting-plinking rifles, but the 513T was an entry level full on Target rifle.
I learned to shoot on a 510 Remington which I was given when I was 9, taught my wife and son to shoot with that rifle.
Ran our club's DCM program and found the 144's provided were way too heavy for a lot of the youngsters in our junior division, so picked up a surplus 513T stock, cut the barrel down, shortened the stock & added Redfield aperture sights and made a very nice, accurate & light weight "target" rifle for the smaller kids. As has been said, the 51_ actions are same so dropping in the 513T stock was a snap.
Rifle now belongs to my grandson.
Ran our club's DCM program and found the 144's provided were way too heavy for a lot of the youngsters in our junior division, so picked up a surplus 513T stock, cut the barrel down, shortened the stock & added Redfield aperture sights and made a very nice, accurate & light weight "target" rifle for the smaller kids. As has been said, the 51_ actions are same so dropping in the 513T stock was a snap.
Rifle now belongs to my grandson.
The 513T was my first 22lr rifle I ever bought after I retired from the Army in 96. To this day I practice shooting off hand and kneeling at 200 yards for about 4 months prior to deer season as it is the only position I will shoot when hunting using my Redfield sight. I know Fulda very well as I was with the 3/11 ACR about 30 clicks north in Bad Hersfeld.
Armorer 101
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I have a few 510s, 511s and 512s plus a couple of 513 T models The 500s in the 510-513 range are excellent rifles for learning to shoot and the 510 with the automatic safety is a great teaching rifle, accurate enough to teach marksmanship, light and easy to handle. This is six of each of the 12 of each. Taught the Marksmanship Merit Badge and Orienteering Merit Badge in the Boy Scouts.
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OOPS! Just testing everyone.
Here is the 513T. When I first bought it came with the wrong sight and have since replaced it with the correct Redfield sight. Just have not come across a 540X to use the 75H sight yet.
