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Remington 597 vs. Ruger 10/22

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Pheonix, Jul 15, 2003.

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  1. Pheonix

    Pheonix Member

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    I am curious what the pros and cons are of these two rifles? I am not a tinkerer (OK I am, but I will NOT with a .22) well maybe the trigger. I do not want to replace stocks or barrels on a new firearm. Period. Anyways I found a 597 syn. stock for $139 and a 10/22 wood stock $159. The guy at the gun shop had his opinions of the 597 compared to his 10/22.:rolleyes: I am very aware of the Rugers qualities but I know very little of the 597.

    Please help!
     
  2. Robert inOregon

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    Just get the flaming chicken brand and don't look back.
     
  3. BusMaster007

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    Based on what you said about not wishing to change a lot on the rifle, the 597 is a full-size adult firearm ready to go.
    The 10/22's stock is kinda short. I replaced it with a Hogue.

    I have one of each of these .22's, and the Remington 597 is all 'stock', so to speak, while the Ruger 10/22 has been changed around to make it fit better and I put on some 'accessories'.

    The 597 is the more accurate of the two.
    I prefer the 597 by a slight margin.
     
  4. cracked butt

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    I HAD a 597, but sold it not too long after I bought it. The accuracy was pretty good despite the heavy nonadjustable trigger. The rifle jammed on about every 5th shot:cuss: though I've heard Remington fixed this problem by using steel magazines in newer rifles, though I can't confirm it either way. The finish on the metalworkings was not as far as I could tell blueing, but looked more like a powdercoat and had a rough texture that really didn't appeal to me- it also showed signs of rusting in my gun cabinet despite efforts to prevent it- I've never had a firearm rust in my gun cabinet other than the 597. All in all, I'm not much impressed with the 597, the one I bought about 4 years ago was a crappy product and I took a loss on selling it, it would take a whole lot of convincing to get me to buy another Remington .22 again.

    If I were to do things over, I would have spent the extra $20 and got the 10/22. Its a proven rifle that's been around for a long time and has alot of aftermarket parts and accessories.
     
  5. dickwholliday

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    i sure like my 10-22T....i can shoot one hole 5 shot groups indoors with a scope and rest........i recently shot some of the Eley subsonics at 25 yards into one hole smaller than a #2 lead pencil......and accessories galore...anything you want is available.....if a spray my mags with silicone occasionally, reliability is 100%......DICK
     
  6. Bottom Gun

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    A box stock 597 will outshoot the stock 10/22. It's a much better buy.

    You'll have to replace the barrel and trigger in the 10/22 to make a shooter out of it. That's what I had to do with mine. You'll end up with a $350-500 .22 rifle by the time you're finished.
    There are, however, more after market accessories made for the 10/22 then for the Remington.

    I'd choose the Remington any day.
     
  7. Tropical Z

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    I own a two year old 597 that has been flawless from round one using mostly remingtons golden bullet bulk pack.Mine has NO rust and is easily the most accurate .22lr ive shot.I havent tried to baby it and i believe its a much better rifle than a 10/22.This has been proven shooting them back to back.I remember reading a magazine review about a year ago and the author had talked at some length with remington engineers about their goals for the 597 when it was being developed.They clearly stated that they wanted the 597 to be more accurate,better built,and more durable than a 10/22.The article was very interesting and talked about what had been designed into the 597 that was an engineering improvement on the 10/22.I read the article at the bookstore and dont remember what magazine it was so this will no doubt be 100% proof to 10/22 lovers that the article doesnt exist.:mad: To be honest with you i'd take my Savage model 64 over the 10/22 ANY day.Its also more accurate than any 10/22 ive ever shot and costs $100.00 at Wal-Mart!

    http://www.remington.com/firearms/rimfire/597.htm

    http://www.savagearms.com/rimfire/22lr_series/64f.htm
     
  8. Master Blaster

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    I have a stock 10/22 carbine, and I have a stock 597 ss laminated version, with the medium weight barrel.

    Both are good shooters. The accuracy edge goes to the 597 though, the trigger is better as well.

    The 597 has a tighter chamber, which means you need to clean it with a clp coated q-tip every 100 rounds or you will get failures to extract and eject.

    I like them both, I bought the 597 because at the time I was looking to upgrade my 10/22. When I looked at the barrels and stocks for the 10/22 I decided I really liked the 10/22 in its stock configuration better than with a heavy bull barrel. I looked at the 597 and I liked it, and the gunshop where I bought it had a 50 round target from one shot at 50 yards by the owner with CCI standard velocity, One big hole about the size of a quarter.

    The owner said that it shot as well as his 10/22 custom bull barrel her had built for $800. The price of the SS 597 was $210 which was less than he had spent on the bull barrel for the 10/22. I held it it had nice balance and a decent but slightly heavy trigger. Volquartsen makes a 597 hammer that lightens the trigger to about 3lbs. Mine has lightened after a few thousand rounds and is excellent now.
     
  9. BusMaster007

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    The 597 ejector and magazines were upgraded/changed to improve function.
    Remington sent me a new ejector and magazine for FREE to upgrade my early model 597.
    It now functions as well as the 10/22 (which isn't perfect).
    In other words, they're both about 99% now! :D
     
  10. Longbow

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    Me, like the chicken brand too! :D
    If you get the itch to tinker later down the road, it will be alot easier to do on the 10/22. I just replaced the trigger group on mine with power custom brand and put a scope and that's it. Its a fun, accurate rifle even with the standard barell.
     
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    is remington now using steel magazines? that's my only complaint about the rifle is the plastic mags sucked. i bought mine around Christmas last year.
     
  12. Nero Steptoe

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    I have a stainless 10-22 with folding stock. Lots of fun and totally reliable; however, I don't like the pisspoor design "feature" where the bolt doesn't lock back after the last round is fired.
     
  13. Tropical Z

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    Remington is now making their 597 mags out of some metal alloy.Some people (not me) had problems with the original plastic one.
     
  14. Kharn

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    I've got two or three of the metal mags for my .22lr 597, one of my two plastic mags ceased to function when a ~3mmx3mm chunk broke away from the back of the magazine (right behind the feed lips), so it would no longer retain ammo. Remington sent me a free metal mag after I sent them an email and complained about the plastic one breaking. The metal mags work fine and my rifle loves the Remington Golden bullets (who would have thought a Remington rifle would like Remington bullets? :uhoh: ).

    Kharn
     
  15. mcole

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    the 597 is more accurate. i bought mine not too long after they came out, for $115 nib (the cheap, plastic stock). had a pretty heavy trigger. very accurate, but would jam on ejection. called remington, they sent me (no charge) the new style ejector and new style metal mag. also discovered that there are 2 set screws on the back of the receiver for the bolt quide rails. back each one of these out and then back in until they just touch the end of each slide rail.
    solved the heavy trigger pull by putting in a match hammer from jarvis custom (i believe they are in montana or idaho). brought the trigger pull down to about 2.75 lbs and very crisp and smooth. believe this was $35.
    no more jamming.
    at 25 yds, my daughters can shoot it virtually thru the same hole.
    this year had to put a simmons 4 x 28 scope, parallaxed for .22 -- just couldn't seem to see that well at 50 and 100 yds. scope was about $40. easily shoots all holes touching at 50 and 100yds. mcole
     
  16. blue86buick

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    I've got a 597; it was my first gun. At first, I was happy with it. Now, I rarely shoot it...not that it's a bad gun, I just like my other ones better. Plus, I've got a few problems with it.

    1) I had to move the rear sight all the way down to shoot right, and at that position, it won't hold tight. Now, after trying to tighten it, I've stripped the head of the screw.

    2) The scope I put on sucks, but that's my fault. :p

    3) When I bought it, it came with a plastic mag, and I bought a metal one at the same time. Later, I bought a second metal mag. This was less than 2 months ago, and by now all three mags are gummed up. I presume this is from the brick of Federal Lightning I shot through it, as that ammo is quite gummy. Now, whether I'm using jacketed (plated) ammo, or lead (coated) ammo, rounds will frequently "stick" and not feed. If I pull and hold the bolt, they'll slowly slide up, but not fast enough to feed normally.

    Does anyone know how to disassemble the metal 597 mags, or the best way to clean them w/o ruining them?
     
  17. mcole

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    i believe you squeeze them on the sides just above the base and then the botom plate will come off. hell, i'd just take an old tooth brush and schrub them off and then run some hoppes thru and around them. sounds like your mags are gummed. mcole
     
  18. MAURICE

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    My 597 is very accurate, but it does jam. I cannot seem to get the mags to keep from giving me failure to feeds.
     
  19. BevrFevr

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    don't buy the standard 10/22

    Search around for the stainless 22inch barrel version with the full size sporter stock. These were made exclusively for Wal-Mart and totally kick ???.

    The only problem with 10-22 accuracy is the puny stock made for a child and the short sight radius. The standard barrel is very accurate but just not in that stock with those sights. If you put a scope or a red dot on it you can get on hole groups all day long.

    However I never met a remington I didn't like alot. I had a Savage but gave it to a bud for helping me work on my truck. The Savage can compete but the plastic stock makes it feel like a bb gun.

    Good Luck -bevr
     
  20. blue86buick

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    Yeah, I know they're gummed...it was that Federal ammo I was using....but 7.99/brick was tempting enough to buy 3 bricks. :D

    Have you ever tried to take apart the metal mags? I don't know about you, but I CAN'T squeeze them worth a s***. Maybe I'm just a weakling, but they ain't workin for me.
     
  21. mcole

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    i've never tried to take the metal one's apart. the plastic mag's come apart that way. did it once to see if it works; it does. even with the plastic mags, i just dip a old tooth brush in hoppes and scrub them off; push the follower down and scrub around inside. if really dirty, then pour some hoppes into the mag and slosh it around. let them dry.
    i usually only shoot winchester super-x and cci mini-mags; don't foul the rifle or mags very badly.
    i also discovered that the cheap bulk stuff isn't reliable to cycle the action; sometimes it will, sometimes it won't.
    mcole
     
  22. GooseGestapo

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    I have two Rem. 597's.
    I didn't start out to get two but just ended up that way.
    I traded an NEF .243 that shot 6" groups @ 100yds for 597 Mag..
    With origingal plastic stock 597mag, shot 1.25-1.5" @ 100yds with Win. 40gr HP. All other ammo ran worse. Magazines on .22 WRM has caused no problems.
    I won a .22Lr 597 this past year at NRA nationals. Decided to keep it as it now has sentimental "connection" as a trophy. It has been mildly problematic with original "metal" magazines until I used 400grit W/D sand paper to remove some of the "flashing" off some contact areas. Function with the one magazine I have is now 100% except with some of the promotional ammo, or subsonic. Accuracy with original plastic stock was hit or miss depending on ammo, showed great promise.

    Boyds ran an overrun of laminated stocks on sale for at first 24.00, then later for 12.00. Got first one, then a second.
    After restocking, the .22lr shoots CCI mini-mags (solid and hp) into 1/2" or less @50yds. for 10rounds. Occasional groups with one batch of solids were running 1/4" for 5 shots. (shot up all that lot real quick!)
    .22Mag shoots 7/8"-1" with Win. 40hp, around 1-1.25" with all others (even PMC shoots pretty well, except for new 45gr Dyna-pts. going 1.75-2.0" @ 100yds.) I've stoned both triggers to approx. 2lbs on mag, 2.75 for .22lr. No $35.00 triggers for me when I can do it for 30min. time with soft-arkansas. (Sear angle is weird, not a hook but a "ramp")

    Having owned several 10/22's, one I spent $250.00 for Stainless fluted bull barrel and synthetic stock in mid'90's that would shoot no better than original factory stainless stock (one of the Walmart Gray/black's back in mid-late '90's after I glass bedded origial stock and was most accurate one I ever owned but would only shoot 3/4" @50yds-5 shots with best ammo)

    I would recommend the Rem. 597 for the stated purpose.

    If you want to really accessorize, the Ruger is the way to go with .22lr, but the Ruger .22mag's are really problem childs. Check out www.rimfirecentral.com for much more info on both rifles.
    I still look at the Walmart Ruger with 22"Stainless/sporter stock, everytime I go to Sporting goods. Someday I'll just have to get one, But..... I'll probably end up spending $$$ to get it to shoot anything like the OTB (out of the box) Remingtons.
    I do plan on getting a factory .17 HRM barrel for the Magnum though!
     
  23. Jaywalker

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    I don't have a 597, so I can't comment on that. I am giving up on my 10/22, though, so I thought I'd comment as to why. I'm not really interested in all the tweaking that would be necessary to make it work for me. This is a recent decision, as for a month or so I have been gathering advice on "how" to do things as I discovered "what" needed to be done.

    It definitely needs a couple of things. It needs a trigger or hammer mod, as it's so stiff that I have to shoot with a meaty part of my index finger. I'd need to determine the reason for its erratic faiures to eject. It needs (for me) the stock length altered. As it shoots just over an inch at 50 yards, it probably needs a new barrel, but that's hard to tell with the trigger as it is.

    Basically, I just decided that a rifle that didn't fit me, wasn't accurate, and wasn't reliable didn't need to be the basis for a new rifle. I bought a Thompson Center Classic last week.

    Jaywalker
     
  24. BusMaster007

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    I find that the 10/22 is a $120.00 .22 that needs $300.00 of goodies to make it 'just right'.

    Kinda like a $400.00 1911 .45 that needs $600.00 of goodies to do the same.

    The 597 is pretty good for a cheap .22 rifle, especially since the upgrades are already there for the previous ejector/magfeed troubles, or they are available from Remington for free.
    That 597 is a full size and accurate .22, and now is more or as reliable as the Ruger.

    If you buy the target version of either, you'll save money in the long run.
    If you just love to tweak things and stylize (I DO!), then spending the $$$ on your .22 rifle is worth it! :D
     
  25. NewMexicanDesertRat

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    597 Gets My Vote

    While I admit that I am jealous of the way my buddy can customize his 10/22 with an endless array of stocks and barrels etc. etc. (I've even seen one conversion kit that turns two 10/22 rifles into a double barrel gatlin gun!)

    We both agree that the 597 is either more accurate or as accurate as any barrel he has ever put on his 10/22 and the 597 was a $140.00 rifle brand new...

    Cons with the 597: I have worn out a couple of magazines, but they are not expensive to replace and the 597 jams frequently with 36 gr. ammo. Using 40 gr. CCI Mini Mag solves that problem as I get 1 or 2 jams per box of 100, makes plinking more expensive but the Mini Mags and the 597 are a pretty DOB accurate match.
     
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