Remington 700 ultimate muzzle

[biggameballs]

What's everyones thoughts on the new model 700 muzzleloader? Really like most everything about it but I'm worried it will be a fad and the special primers etc will be hard to find.

Is this system going to catch on and become mainstream?

 

[Patocazador]

Remember the Gyrojet pistols and 5mm Remington rimfires?





I'm never been the first to jump in to a new thing. I let others find out first.

 

[alsaqr]

Know a man who has one: It's a neat muzzleloader. However, i don't see the market for that rifle.

 

[mcb]

You can always make priming cases for it from 45 Winchester Magnum brass. But once you have a good stock of priming cases you can keep reusing them just de-prime and re-prime with a magnum primer. Other than there the rest of the supplies (bullet, propellant etc) will be easy to get and most of the parts on it are interchangeable with regular 700 parts. Triggers, rings, etc...

I shot my first ground hog with a Remington 5mm...

 

[rdstrain49]

What's everyones thoughts on the new model 700 muzzleloader? Really like most everything about it but I'm worried it will be a fad and the special primers etc will be hard to find.

Is this system going to catch on and become mainstream?

In a word---NO

 

[PapaG]

Not new. Rem picked this up from a MI company that was building Ultimate yada yadas ten or so years ago. Great ads. My problem is the hype. Suggested five hundred yard shots and so on. Check the drop rates for 250 and 300 grain bullets past 200 yards and you'll see that unless you have a great rangefinder and scope with dozens of MOA elevation AND the skill to use it you are just being irresponsible.
I still want to see some independent test results at 300, 400, 500 yards with group sizes before I'm believing the bull.
BTW, I shot competitive black powder at local, state, and national level, winning at ranges to 200 yards so I do know the difficulties involved. Of course that was with "real" muzzle loaders using iron sights, external hammers, clients or caps and round or minie balls.

 

[biggameballs]

Not just the range that males this rifle attractive. I believe its a better system..

 

[rdstrain49]

I just read the owners manual for Remingtons "new" 700 muzzleloader.

First, I don't believe it's a better system, just more complex than necessary and very well advertised.

Second, it is in my opinion very much over priced.

Third, they are using 4, 50 grain pellets to acomplish what Thompson center did with their Encore ml with 3, 50 grain pellets. The Encore is also a legit 300 yard rifle.

In either case, like Pappa G implied, it will take more than a casual shooter to make clean killing shots at 300 yards with either rifle. A two foot trajectory in addition to a projectile that is extremely suspetable to wind drift simply means you better be a well trained rifleman and well practiced with your 300 yard muzzleloader. Maybe one out of a thousand muzzleloader hunters will fit the bill. Maybe less.

However, the beauty of this thing we do (hunting) is that there are nearly as many ways to accomplish a common end result as there are hunters. I choose to hunt with a flintlock Pennsylvania longrifle. If you choose to use the latest most technically advanced weapon made, go for it. The bottom line is we both hunt. That makes us friends who have never met, not adversaries. Best of luck.

 

[biggameballs]

Dont care about 300 yards. Do care about my barnes bullet still having enough velocity at 200 to properly expand. Doesn't always happen with the TC and 150 grains of powder. Hammer systems also suck. No hammer lag and no need to cock anything with the remington. Rifle primers are far superior to shotgun primers.