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Remington 870 Tac-14

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  1. Spats McGee

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    Not too long ago, it seemed like there was a lot of hubbub around the Mossberg Shockwave. I do not have one, nor do I foresee getting one, but I did wonder how long it would take for competitors to appear on the market. Enter the Remington 870 Tac-14. I saw them at yesterday's gun show in Little Rock and initially thought they were Shockwaves, until I saw that they were sitting on Remington boxes.
     
  2. Girodin

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    I believer the tac 14 has been out since at least May of this year.
     
  3. Fiv3r

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    Both of them released right around the same time. The LGS has a shockwave sitting there that looks lonely. Rural King has the Tac-14. I'm trying not to talk myself into buying one n the next couple of months.
     
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    I guess I'm a little behind the times on this one . . . :oops:
     
  5. 444

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    I am buying one if there is one available the next time I am in a gun store.

    I only recently became aware of these.
     
  6. Rshooter

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    If you buy one practice with it, they take some time getting used to.
     
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  7. 444

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    That is probably sound advice.
    But, for me; it is just an occasional plinker.
    I own an 870 SBS, I own an 870 AOW, I own a 20" 870 tricked out by Vang Comp, and I have a full sized Wingmaster. So, I can't leave this stone unturned.
     
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    I think they are a waste of time unless you wear a long coat to conceal it, legally or not. A shotgun is meant to be a shoulder fired weapon, point and shoot, with both eyes open, and I'll take a walnut stocked 870 Wingmaster with a good recoil pad any day.
     
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  9. 444

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    I drove about an hour (each way) today, to a gun store that I figured would have one of these and...............they didn't.
    I guess I should have called first :(

    But, I am now on a mission and tomorrow, I am checking a couple other places. This doesn't seem like something I would have to end up ordering, but maybe I will.
     
  10. Joezilla

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    I went to a local gun shop today also. They had a Shockwave, one only. And it was spoken for. Darn it! I did get to handle it though. I liked it.

    Joe
     
  11. lemaymiami

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    A quick note about short barreled shotguns.... our SRT had one specifically for the team's entry man - figuring that at the moment of entry into a hostile structure maneuverability and one shot stops were the primary focus... After actually using one a bit (and it was certainly death on dogs...) they decided it wasn't as useful as they thought it would be... Once they'd made entry that shorty was simply useless - and the team member with it was out of whatever ensued (at least as far as that shotgun went...).

    I figure they'll sell a few but, as noted in reply #8 - not very useful (and this from a guy who always brought a standard riot gun to any scene where weapons were even a possibility....).
     
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  12. 444

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    If the local SWAT team ever calls for my help, I'll be sure to bring something else.

    I am not likely to be using any gun I have in military combat, police raids or anything of the kind. I am a middle aged guy rapidly approaching old age. I buy guns because they interest me and they are fun to shoot; just like I did when I was 20. As participants in internet gun forums I think we often lose sight of the fact that the vast majority of people on these forums are never going to use privately owned firearms for anything other than having fun. At least for me, that is reason enough to buy one and enjoy owning it.
     
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    I totally agree. At age 63 now, I don't think I will be called on to help stop insurrection or go on a drug raid. I buy guns because they peak my interest and some are perhaps out of the ordinary. The Shockwave is one of those out of the ordinary weapons. I don't buy guns or not buy guns because some one on the internet told me they are great or they are useless. What may seem useless to you might just the the most fun weapon ever. I will find out soon as I am ordering the Shockwave next week. If, after putting it through it's paces, I find that I don't care for it, it will be up for sale. I secretly hope that is not the case though.

    Joe
     
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    Ironically, I do occasionally do go on SWAT raids, but I am a paramedic and just stand outside (preferably around the corner) in case something happens. I am not kicking in doors.
    And, I am allowed to carry concealed for my own personal protection. But, I am not showing up with a shotgun (I guess technically this isn't classified as a shotgun, but whatever it is I am not taking it to work).
     
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    I'd prefer around the corner also! ha

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    My comment about this particular item was only meant to be about its utility in the real world (I could have provided other examples but I try not to get graphic...). I'm long out of police work (my era was 1973-1995) and my next birthday will have a 7 for the first number... I hope I never need a shotgun (or any other firearm) again for the rest of my life.

    I'm not a collector in any sense of the word although I know that some really enjoy buying different firearms - more power to them. For me a riot gun is on the serious business end of things so that's where I'm coming from.

    That's okay, though... my kids don't listen to me either...
     
  17. 444

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    I understand.
    I am just pointing out that very frequently on internet gun forums I see that some people "need" a reason to buy a firearm. To justify it to themselves. They say they are going to hunt with it. Or they say they are using it for self defense. Or they get into some long drawn out discussion about a given firearm's utility clearing a cave in Afganistan with a special ops team or something. In reality, most of us are private citizens, and even those who arn't probably arn't using firearms they bought themselves "on duty". There are people who buy firearms just to have fun with. Take to the range and play with. Admire. And there are even some people who admit to themselves and everybody else that this is why they are buying it and need no other justification.

    I enjoy having these discussions about a given firearm's utility in combat or hunting or whatever as much as the next guy. However, sometimes in my opinion this stuff gets a little bit over the top. Case in point is when the Mossberg Shockwave was discussed in an earlier thread.
     
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    I am older and slower and do not carry a gun for work. I agree that some guns you buy because you can. Some in the gun community hate AR-15's and AK's, others hate short shotguns. We are all in this together and we must not let them divide and conquer us.
     
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    I am not in the military and I’m not a member of an elite tactical unit so my personal experience should be considered with a jaundiced eye.

    Regarding the TAC 14, I got mine when it first came out. I upgraded it to a 5 shot, added a sling and a light and then started shooting it and carrying it for work.

    I had a different experience than the previously mentioned swat team. I tend to reach for the TAC 14 when going in on a search warrant. I do have an AR as well but I tend to leave it if I am going inside a house or business. I am not saying its better than anything else but I like it just fine. I am also not saying the swat team is wrong to dump their scatter gun. I am saying that it doesn’t make the TAC 14 a universally bad choice.

    Several of my co workers have tried mine and some of them have purchased one of their own. Anyone who thinks the TAC 14 is nothing but a range toy is kidding themselves.
     
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    I’m interested in one — with a brace. But I’m Still not sure 4 less inches is worth it.
     
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    From my perspective, no. There are a few people doing vids online which show how to manipulate the TAC 14 without a brace or a stock. The firearm is very handy in the standard configuration. Adding a brace is a cool idea and I don't begrudge that. I prefer no stock and employing it in the Suarez Method which is demonstrated on this video.



    The firearm is employed as if there is a stock, you hold it up and aim using the sites. Also at the end of a range session you have no bruises on your shoulders because it is not touching you. The recoil isn't bad and I prefer to use Federal Flite Control 8 pellet double ought buck.

    To address the idea of putting a brace on it and keeping it compact, go with a folding brace.
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  22. BlueHeelerFl

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    I like the Tac 14/ Shockwave concept. My house is small and currently cramped with excess stuff, so a gun of this size makes more sense than the typical HD shotgun
     
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    At one point, I put a commercial pistol grip in my 18" Mossberg 500, 12ga. At that time, the rear of the pistol grip fixture was a piece of steel channel iron. The shoulderless "push-pull" hold on the gun was tolerable, but not real useful. Sneaking up on the gun trying to sight down the barrel got me hurt; that's the second most interesting scar on my left eyebrow. :eek:
    My opinion is this: no matter what your barrel length, you should have a stock. Youtube is full of videos that show the unintended consequences of uncontrolled recoil.
    Shotguns are fight stoppers, no doubt. Once you get to the range with your extra short kaboomer and start hitting steel with slugs or shot, some things might come to mind:

    Could I get this job done with less recoil?
    How can I put better sights on this thing?
    What about stray pellets if I need a precision shot?
    If I hadn't gotten such a short barrel, could the mag have more rounds?

    If you like shotguns, you like shotguns,(which I do!) just sharing some experience.:thumbup:
     
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    Since an armed confrontation is never scripted and often ends in an instant - you'll never know how close you'll be to your opponent or what the actual situation will be... For anyone that thinks an extra short barrel shotgun is the answer pray you never come across someone with a standard 18 - 20" barrel riot configured, shoulder mounted, shotgun - that knows how to use one....

    That's why I won't ever have a shorty or a pistol gripped popper.... I carried and always brought a riot gun to any call where weapons were even a possibility for many years and had a lot of confidence in it. I've pointed a locked and loaded shotgun at a lot of folks (when needed) and never fired a single shot -always with the safety still engaged... (with one exception). For ranges under 15 meters it's an absolute one shot fight ender - if you do your part. No need for any extra powerful ammo - the standard 2 3/4" 00buck rounds will do the job... For barricade situations it's a simple matter to load rifled slugs (and once again - no special "extra hot" ammo needed - not at all..). The only two accessories I ever wanted were a sling so I could go hands free if needed and a butt cuff with five extra rounds... those I bought myself and added to my issued weapon.

    I know folks enjoy owning good weapons and most will never be more than a collector or arm chair commando.... For me my weapons were simply tools of the trade. No sentimental attachment - just cold reality that I might have to use one when I was scared spitless and wanted to be somewhere else - anywhere else... I spent six months in and out of court for the one shot I ever fired on the street. It took me several years to get my head screwed back on straight... I spent another fifteen years in police work and that basic riot shotgun was still my first choice for any hot call....
     
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  25. Fiv3r

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    I'm thinking about picking up one of the TAC-14/Shockwaves (which ever I stumble upon first). I have no grand idea that it will replace a full size shotgun for any real needs. I have a very tried and true old Ithaca DSPS that was police issue for someone many years ago. 7 rounds with a 20" barrel, and you can slam fire it if that floats your boat.

    However, these little short blasters just look like fun. I plan on keeping one in the car for road trips after I spend some time behind the gun to make sure I can hit with it. Not ideal compared to the full size shotgun, of course. But it would stow well.

    I could see putting a telescoping stock on one to get the benefits of precision. Of course, I'm not so sure that a $100 stock and a $200 tax stamp are worth unless you just have the want and money to put into it.
     
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