Remington dismantlement described

[climbnjump]

I feel their intent is to sell off the physical assets of the Ilion and Tennessee plants and the Remington name and any IP later. Depending on what the liabilities are, that might be the only way to make any money off the deal.

That might be the case, I don't know. BUT... It can't happen for a while.

As I mentioned in a post above, if you check the terms of Roundhill's bid, they are REQUIRED to offer employment to at least 200 union workers at the Ilion facility within 75 days after the close of the sale.

Perhaps they will employ them only long enough to close down the facility and liquidate the assets. But that isn't a can of worms that a simple property management company would likely want to get involved in.

 

[CraigC]

Ruger meets marlin... PC carbine meets Camp 9. This is going to get interesting. A sad note though... a classic will die. Which one though? Marlin 60 or Ruger 10/22. It makes no sense to compete head to head with yourself.

Why not? That's the best situation to be in, you're making money either way.

Frickin' great. More cast parts and MIM in new Marlins. Guess that means if you see a JM rifle on the used market you'd better buy it immediately.

Yeah, those darn worthless castings!!!

 

[sisyphus]

Yeah, those darn worthless castings!!!

yeah that made me shake my head too. I have never heard anyone bad mouth a Blackhawk, Redhawk or No. 1. In fact all three are known for being nonplussed by hot loads. An 1895 with a Ruger investment cast receiver? Can I put money down on that now?

 

[WestKentucky]

I keep thinking about the camp 9 and I can see Ruger making it happen simply by putting a wood stock on the PC9. It wouldn’t hurt to have a slightly different reciever externally to make it look less Ruger and more Marlin.

 

[CraigC]

I keep thinking about the camp 9 and I can see Ruger making it happen simply by putting a wood stock on the PC9. It wouldn’t hurt to have a slightly different reciever externally to make it look less Ruger and more Marlin.

They can chamber it in 10mm while they're at it. If they really wanna hurt my feelings, they can upscale it and chamber it in .357AMP, 10mmMag, .44AMP and .45WinMag. The line starts behind me.

 

[3Crows]

The "Marlin Safety" was replaced with an ugly crossbolt safety 38 years ago....

Do you not think I know that, wow? I have both pre and post cross bolt safety Marlins and I would rather the cross bolt safety and a half cock than a transfer bar and/or a tang safety. The cross bolt is not the bad deal as is made out to be and is easy to remove if not wanted or to inop instead or just learn how to use it to advantage. Several companies make delete kits or you can make your own.

You really thought I did not know about a cross bolt safety and it's history? One of my several no cross bolt safety JM Marlins:



With and without, is it really that ugly? Or maybe some exaggeration of the ugliness for effect:



What will be will be, if they are nice and not bastardized but stick to the original formula and design with forged receiver and not investment cast Zamack then I will purchase one and if not, well, I have mine already, several. I hope Ruger can do Marlin justice, fingers crossed.

 

[Varminterror]

I hate to entertain such silliness, but why would someone assume Ruger would put a transfer bar into a Marlin lever action design? Why would Ruger buy Marlin’s IP if they intended to redesign the rifle?

Did they put transfer bars into their AR’s too? Guess I missed that upon disassembly. Maybe they put transfer bars into their SR1911’s, again, guess I missed those... No TB’s in the LC9 or LCP either.... hmm... maybe you’re just being silly...?

 

[sisyphus]

What will be will be, if they are nice and not bastardized but stick to the original formula and design with forged receiver and not investment cast Zamack then I will purchase one and if not, well, I have mine already, several. I hope Ruger can do Marlin justice, fingers crossed.

that's just silly. No one is making zamak receivers in anything but rimfires. Ruger would never do that to Marlin, unless their intention was to sink the brand.

 

[mgmorden]

I have both pre and post cross bolt safety Marlins and I would rather the cross bolt safety and a half cock than a transfer bar

Maybe I'm missing something but I can't understand the hate for a transfer bar. It's passive, visually unobtrusive (I never ever knew what they were until I knew to look for one), and truly does help in the case of hammer slippage. My only Marlin levergun does have the crossbolt safety, but I'd trade it in a heartbeat for just a transfer bar.

Also remember that from a manufacturing standpoint, companies have to change with the times. I love nicely figured walnut and blued receivers machined from forged billet steel as much as the next guy, but in modern times people aren't willing to pay the money that it takes to make that. Companies have to figure out how to make guns for cheaper. The companies that don't do it at all go out of business, but so do the companies that do it poorly (eg, Remington - I almost winced a little bit when my dad once told me he picked up a new rifle and he pulled a Remington 710 out of a gun case). Ruger has gotten good at cutting corners in a good way.

 

[WestKentucky]

Agreed, but there is more to the story. We as a society and as a electing body need to do a better job of eliminating frivolous lawsuits. The costs get carried into product and that means that every time we buy a firearm we buy a little bit of the compensibility for frivolous lawsuits. I don’t mean legit suits like the Remington 700 suit because Remington earned that one. I do mean school shooting and mass shooting victim lawsuits against the gun manufacturer. If gun makers held no liability for product misuse then they could sell cheaper, but they currently have to pad their pockets knowing good and well that they will eventually get drug through the mud and somebody will have a hand out at the end of it. Likewise manufacturers need to get off of their asses and safeguard their plants. I don’t mean make it a maze of guarding, but sensibly minimize risk. A sheet of plexiglass, a plastic chain, or a thin piece of metal is usually enough to overcome huge safety concerns which means worker’s compensation claims and insurance fees. As long as things like these are accepted as “part of the cost of doing business” then We will continue to see overly expensive products. When these factors (costs) are minimized then makers can sell their product more reasonably.

 

[CraigC]

Ruger didn't need to buy Marlin to build leverguns, even exact copies of their designs. Henry and others have been doing that for years. Nor do they need the Marlin name to market guns they make, Ruger's name stands on its own, head & shoulders above any other. They bought Marlin to own Marlin. It would make no sense for them to make any drastic changes.

I'd prefer nothing but a half cock notch but have to say, Marlin's crossbolt is the least offensive and at least they kept the half cock notch, followed by the late model Winchester tang safety. Though I hate the rebounding hammer. What I really despise is the old domestic Winchester crossbolt safety. That was hideous but even those were phased out right before Winchester closed its doors.

 

[Varminterror]

Maybe the Sierra purchase of Barnes will mean they’ll actually keep a steady supply chain rolling finally?

 

[DocRock]

Do you not think I know that, wow? I have both pre and post cross bolt safety Marlins and I would rather the cross bolt safety and a half cock than a transfer bar and/or a tang safety. The cross bolt is not the bad deal as is made out to be and is easy to remove if not wanted or to inop instead or just learn how to use it to advantage. Several companies make delete kits or you can make your own.

You really thought I did not know about a cross bolt safety and it's history? One of my several no cross bolt safety JM Marlins:

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With and without, is it really that ugly? Or maybe some exaggeration of the ugliness for effect:

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What will be will be, if they are nice and not bastardized but stick to the original formula and design with forged receiver and not investment cast Zamack then I will purchase one and if not, well, I have mine already, several. I hope Ruger can do Marlin justice, fingers crossed.

Beauty , or its opposite are in the eye of the beholder.

But your statement that maybe Ruger would "improve the safety by putting a transfer bar in there instead of a half cock" could leave little doubt in the mind of a native speaker of English that you were suggesting a half cock safety was currently in place and would be replaced with a transfer bar. Thanks for clearing up the confusion. And, yes, I think it's ugly. Not Rossi-safety-lever-ultra-ugly, but still something that diminishes the looks of the firearm.

I hope Ruger does nothing drastic, that it offers jobs to the Remington folks that were making Marlins, and that the Marlin brand benefits from Ruger ownership. I'm pleased Marlins will still be made in the US. I still want a 1:20 444 to add to my other Marlins.

 

[Nature Boy]

Sad that gun companies are owned by investment companies instead of gun people.

well, that’s because gun people (like you and I) can’t afford to buy gun companies because we spend all our money buying guns

 

[BreechFace]

Maybe the Sierra purchase of Barnes will mean they’ll actually keep a steady supply chain rolling finally?

Please let it be so...

 

[BreechFace]

well, that’s because gun people (like you and I) can’t afford to buy gun companies because we spend all our money buying guns

It’s a vicious cycle

 

[CraigC]

Sierra buying Barnes kinda tickled me too. I didn't actually know they were owned by Remington.

 

[Nature Boy]

Within all this transactional verbiage, is there any indication of who will be carrying on with the 700 and 870?

 

[mcb]

Within all this transactional verbiage, is there any indication of who will be carrying on with the 700 and 870?

It seem technically whatever this Roundhill Group LLC is, will have the Remington brand firearms. So we are left to assume Roundhill holds the fate of the 700, 870 and the rest of the Remington product line.

 

[JeeperCreeper]

Wild thought here:

With Ruger and Hornady having such a great relationship, and Marlin and Hornady collaborating on the Marlin Express rounds...

I wonder if we'll see some crazy lever rounds coming out of Ruglin. I say this as someone who uses the 338 RCM so I understand defunct wildcat cartridges.

 

[Offfhand]

Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc. (NYSE: RGR) announced today that its offer to purchase substantially all of the Marlin Firearms assets was accepted by Remington Outdoor Company, Inc. and approved by the United States Bankruptcy Court for the Northern District of Alabama. The Company will pay the $30 million purchase price from cash on hand at the time of closing, which is expected to occur in October.

"The value of Marlin and its 150-year legacy was too great of an opportunity for us to pass up," said Ruger President and CEO Chris Killoy. "The brand aligns perfectly with ours and the Marlin product portfolio will help us widen our already diverse product offerings."

The transaction is exclusively for the Marlin Firearms assets. Remington firearms, ammunition, other Remington Outdoor brands, and all facilities and real estate are excluded from the Ruger purchase. Once the purchase is completed, the Company will begin the process of relocating the Marlin Firearms assets to existing Ruger manufacturing facilities.

"The important thing for consumers, retailers and distributors to know at this point in time," continued Killoy, "is that the Marlin brand and its great products will live on. Long Live the Lever Gun."

Additional information will be released when available. To stay up to date, please sign up for our contact list at Ruger.com/Marlin.

 

[troy fairweather]

Looking good, ruger really seems to care for marlin

 

[Gtscotty]

Wild thought here:

With Ruger and Hornady having such a great relationship, and Marlin and Hornady collaborating on the Marlin Express rounds...

I wonder if we'll see some crazy lever rounds coming out of Ruglin. I say this as someone who uses the 338 RCM so I understand defunct wildcat cartridges.

As long as my new Ruglin in 6.5 Levermoor comes with a beautiful color case hardened Zamack receiver and 3/8 cock notch, I'm in!

 

[spencerhut]

I was of the opinion it could not get much worse for Bushmaster. Shows you what I know.

 

[Nature Boy]

It seem technically whatever this Roundhill Group LLC is, will have the Remington brand firearms. So we are left to assume Roundhill holds the fate of the 700, 870 and the rest of the Remington product line.

I poked around on their website ( https://roundhillcapital.com/ ) and there’s nothing to indicate that their strategic interest include running a firearm manufacturing business. They manage a global real estate equity fund, and that’s it.

it will be interesting to read their press release on this acquisition when they update their website. That should give us an idea of what their plans are.