WoofersInc
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I have given up on the Golden Bullets from Remington. They always have issues for me. I have used the Remington Subsonics and had no where near the issues as the Goldens. I basically stick to Federal for all my bulk now.
Remington "Golden Bullet" 22 ammo- unsatisfied!
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For 22 ammo, I like the federal bulk packs, they work great, not interested in the match stuff.
As far as .308 ammo goes, I like the Winchester Super X ammo, its very accurate in my rifle, better than Core-Lokt's by a long shot.
As far as .308 ammo goes, I like the Winchester Super X ammo, its very accurate in my rifle, better than Core-Lokt's by a long shot.
Had some duds in my last 550 pack, but for the price, I can live with it. This same junk ammo is the only stuff to reliably cycle a friends Sig Mosquito
CCI minimags wouldn't do it, Winchester Hyper velocity was worse than CCI, good old junk Rem 550 pack runs like a champ
CCI minimags wouldn't do it, Winchester Hyper velocity was worse than CCI, good old junk Rem 550 pack runs like a champI'll just jump on top of the pile regarding Remington .22 LR ammo. I stick with CCI for rimfire ammo as much as I can, although there are others that have worked well for me, too.
I'm not doubting your experiences, but I use ammo from various manufacturers, and Winchester ammo seems fine and dandy to me. My current defensive load is from Winchester, and it has never caused a failure to feed, fire, extract, or eject (neither has Winchester White Box, for that matter). That said, I have wondered sometimes, based on what I've heard here and there, whether the ammo distributed to different regions comes from different factories. 
Never again will I buy any type of Winchester ammo. Pathetic doesn't even come close to describing them.
I'm not doubting your experiences, but I use ammo from various manufacturers, and Winchester ammo seems fine and dandy to me.
My current defensive load is from Winchester, and it has never caused a failure to feed, fire, extract, or eject (neither has Winchester White Box, for that matter). That said, I have wondered sometimes, based on what I've heard here and there, whether the ammo distributed to different regions comes from different factories. I bought three 100 round boxes last year to give to my son with his Henry frontier .22 he got for his birthday. As a general rule I never buy Remington ammo in any caliber. The CCI mini-mags that we usually shoot were out of stock at the time. Well to make a long story short out of 300 rounds I only recall 2 or maybe 3 failures. Still not a bullet I would normally buy but these seemed to run just fine. I have tried Remington ammo through several centerfire rifles both the cheap core-loks and more expensive premium ammo. None of them grouped worth a darn in 6-7 various rifles in various calibers.
Zoidberg523
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I have wondered this same thing. Sometimes it sure seems like it.
At any rate - if I am hunting with a rimfire, you can bet my mag is full of CCI's.
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Something I don't know about, or more "Obama's coming for our guns!" tinfoil-hattiness?
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hemiram
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I'm really glad I saw this thread, I was about to bite on what I thought was a great deal on 2100 rounds of this stuff. Looks like I will go for one of the other, slightly more expensive deals instead. I don't even have anything to shoot them with anyway. Yet.
22-rimfire
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First, the only Remington ammuntion with issues seem to be 22 rimfire ammunition, not centerfire or shotgun. This topic is discussed fairly frequently over at RimfireCentral forum.
There were so many complaints voiced about Remington Golden Bullets as well as Thunderbolts that Remington shut down their production line in an effort to determine the problem. It was shut down for a week. That is a lot of production that was missed. Anyway, the quality has seemed to improve in new production. The problem is how do you determine new from recent old?? (Lot numbers of course.) The old stuff shoots and works fine.... It appears to be a quality control issue which includes poor spread of primer compound, occasional no powder charge, but the "loose bullets" have been around for a long time and does not appear to affect shootability.
I have still not nailed it down as to when the problems started with GB's. Pre-1990 stuff works great. Mid-1990 stuff appears to be fine..... The production during the 2008 and 2009 years appears to definitely have problems. My guess is it was about the time the paper bulk pack pachaging was started for retailers like Walmart and so forth. It is something that I am still looking into. Does anyone know what Remington started to use the bulk packaging in paper cartons? The older metal cans that you could get around Christmas are fine. That is "bulk" too.
Golden Bullets used to be their high grade line of 22 ammo. Now they are the eco-line along with Thunderbolts. Remington is not talking about it much, but I believe they are trying to fix the problem.
Golden Bullets used to be my preferred ammuniton before I started shooting the better mid to higher level match and standard velocity 22 ammunition. I still shoot Remington Golden Bullets and Thunderbolts in manual operated rifles. I get very irratated using them in semi-auto rifles and pistols. Clearing a jam is not always as easy as just a quick yank to open the bolt.
There were so many complaints voiced about Remington Golden Bullets as well as Thunderbolts that Remington shut down their production line in an effort to determine the problem. It was shut down for a week. That is a lot of production that was missed. Anyway, the quality has seemed to improve in new production. The problem is how do you determine new from recent old?? (Lot numbers of course.) The old stuff shoots and works fine.... It appears to be a quality control issue which includes poor spread of primer compound, occasional no powder charge, but the "loose bullets" have been around for a long time and does not appear to affect shootability.
I have still not nailed it down as to when the problems started with GB's. Pre-1990 stuff works great. Mid-1990 stuff appears to be fine..... The production during the 2008 and 2009 years appears to definitely have problems. My guess is it was about the time the paper bulk pack pachaging was started for retailers like Walmart and so forth. It is something that I am still looking into. Does anyone know what Remington started to use the bulk packaging in paper cartons? The older metal cans that you could get around Christmas are fine. That is "bulk" too.
Golden Bullets used to be their high grade line of 22 ammo. Now they are the eco-line along with Thunderbolts. Remington is not talking about it much, but I believe they are trying to fix the problem.
Golden Bullets used to be my preferred ammuniton before I started shooting the better mid to higher level match and standard velocity 22 ammunition. I still shoot Remington Golden Bullets and Thunderbolts in manual operated rifles. I get very irratated using them in semi-auto rifles and pistols. Clearing a jam is not always as easy as just a quick yank to open the bolt.
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sxshep
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Saw your thread on ohioccwforums.org, but figured I'd share here
I have never had good results with Remington ammo out of ANY of my .22 rifles or handguns... There are a lot of similar threads on rimfirecentral.com.
I had a weird issue with Remington MATCH ammo last time I shot.... I bought about a dozen different .22 brands and velocities to see what grouped the best. Well when I went to chamber the Remington Match ammo, the OAL of the bullet was too long and too wide to be chambered. It had some sort of wax stuff all around the bullet and it made it too wide to chamber. I was going to wipe all that stuff off of it to smooth it down to size but I got lazy and just threw it back in the ammo can.
Remington is probably my least favorite .22 ammo maker.... my guns like CCI and it's been about 99% reliable.
I have never had good results with Remington ammo out of ANY of my .22 rifles or handguns... There are a lot of similar threads on rimfirecentral.com.
I had a weird issue with Remington MATCH ammo last time I shot.... I bought about a dozen different .22 brands and velocities to see what grouped the best. Well when I went to chamber the Remington Match ammo, the OAL of the bullet was too long and too wide to be chambered. It had some sort of wax stuff all around the bullet and it made it too wide to chamber. I was going to wipe all that stuff off of it to smooth it down to size but I got lazy and just threw it back in the ammo can.
Remington is probably my least favorite .22 ammo maker.... my guns like CCI and it's been about 99% reliable.
wally
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Other than their Golden Saber premium handgun ammo, its been a real long time since I've been happy with Remington ammo. Their .22lr is the worst of all.
jbauch357
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So to put a different spin on the thread, what's the general recommendation for decent pinking .22lr ammo?
I used to think CCI mini-mags were a good pick but yesterday I did an accuracy comparison between golden bullets and CCI mini-mags in my 10/22. I was fully expecting the mini-mags to be the superior product, but to my surprise the CCI's grouped about twice as large as the golden bullets. Yes the ignition was more reliable on the CCI's but who cares if the stupid things won't even keep on a pie plate at 100yds.
I used to think CCI mini-mags were a good pick but yesterday I did an accuracy comparison between golden bullets and CCI mini-mags in my 10/22. I was fully expecting the mini-mags to be the superior product, but to my surprise the CCI's grouped about twice as large as the golden bullets. Yes the ignition was more reliable on the CCI's but who cares if the stupid things won't even keep on a pie plate at 100yds.
Remington Golden bullets were the first .22 cartridges purchased when I picked up a revolver. I was excited and got a few 550 round boxes. A few hundred rounds later I was fed up that my new S&W 617 had so many misfires with the strain screw turned all the way.
I hated them. Gave them to a friend who fed them to his Henry .22, which seemed to eat them like candy, and now I consider it cheap lesson in testing ammunition before stocking up on it.
I'm not particularly happy with the Winchester budget .22 either but I get out shooting so rarely these days that I will tolerate them until my two boxes run out.
I hated them. Gave them to a friend who fed them to his Henry .22, which seemed to eat them like candy, and now I consider it cheap lesson in testing ammunition before stocking up on it.
I'm not particularly happy with the Winchester budget .22 either but I get out shooting so rarely these days that I will tolerate them until my two boxes run out.
Justin
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The Remington bulk .22 is just utter garbage. Avoid it like the plague.
Federal makes bulk packs of .22 that are only a couple of bucks more than the Remington, and have a much lower failure rate. Most of the people around here who run rimfire guns in the local steel challenge matches are using the Federal stuff.
Federal makes bulk packs of .22 that are only a couple of bucks more than the Remington, and have a much lower failure rate. Most of the people around here who run rimfire guns in the local steel challenge matches are using the Federal stuff.
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I've been burning through a 4000-round order of Remington Golden Game .22LR (plated hollow point) for about the last six weeks.
After roughly 1400 rounds, I've maybe experienced 15 failures to fire, maximum.
In about 80% of those cases, a round that didn't fire on my Fake-K (GSG Ak-47 in .22) or Ruger 10/22, fired in my Savage Mark II bolt action.
After roughly 1400 rounds, I've maybe experienced 15 failures to fire, maximum.
In about 80% of those cases, a round that didn't fire on my Fake-K (GSG Ak-47 in .22) or Ruger 10/22, fired in my Savage Mark II bolt action.
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This problem has been going on since I was a kid. I'm 58 now. I used to think duds and weak loads were the norm with .22 ammo as remington was all I could find years ago. When stingers came out in the 70's I was amazed. No missfires, no duds or weak loads. This is something that remington has known about for a very long time and has failed to fix their problem. I believe most of the problem lies in the priming compound, but I really don't care as I haven't bought their ammo since the 70's. Some of the kids bought some not too long ago and they had dud's and weak loads.
Their thunderbolts are junk too.
Their thunderbolts are junk too.
toivo
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Those things are notorious over at RimfireCentral:
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=322336
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=322336
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I have had fine luck with just about everything. I honestly can't remember shooting any bad .22 that wasn't marked "Remington".
I will say that CCI isn't one of my favorites. I'm a little surprised to see it so highly regarded here. It's always been clean and reliable for me, but I've never owned any guns that shot it very accurately. Even Green Tag has been kind of a letdown.
For competition I have had best results from Fiocchi and Eley.
Competition: Eley TenEx
Target shooting to Make Money or Embarrass (i.e. bets): Eley Target or Subsonic
General Fodder or Critter Gitter: Federal Bulk, CCI Green Tag/Select, Fiocchi if I can find it. In .22 WMR, Hornady V-Max.
Avoid at All Cost: Remington rimfire (caliber doesn't matter; its all crap) and Winchester .22LR.
Target shooting to Make Money or Embarrass (i.e. bets): Eley Target or Subsonic
General Fodder or Critter Gitter: Federal Bulk, CCI Green Tag/Select, Fiocchi if I can find it. In .22 WMR, Hornady V-Max.
Avoid at All Cost: Remington rimfire (caliber doesn't matter; its all crap) and Winchester .22LR.
Justin
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I got reasonable accuracy on a budget with CCI Standard Velocity back in my Bullseye shooting days. If you can swing the cost, Eley is the way to go.
For stuff that doesn't require pinpoint accuracy, like Steel Challenge, the Federal bulk ammo is great. It runs well in my .22 rifles and pistols.
For stuff that doesn't require pinpoint accuracy, like Steel Challenge, the Federal bulk ammo is great. It runs well in my .22 rifles and pistols.
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I don't believe I have ever had a misfire (FTF) with any Remington centerfire ammo in my entire life. 270 core lokt is my preferred deer ammunition. Fact is I don't shoot anything else in that rifle and have had it for 20+ years. I don't know what Remington ("caliber doesn matter; it's all crap") you're shooting, but it has always performed well for me.
The 22 ammo has been different. I have not shot much Remington ammo other than Thunderbolts and Golden Bullets and I get about a 5-7 FTF per 100 and that is too high. I don't buy much bulk ammo except to provide for kids to plink with. Don't really care if there are some fail to fire issues as I paid for it and they are getting it for free. I probably have 10-15 bulk packs (Some Remington, but primarily Federal 550 packs) lying around that will eventually get shot. No, I don't consider that much 22 ammo.
I'm not particularly a fan of Winchester 22LR ammo, but I haven't shot much of it in the last couple of years. CCI mini-mags are more reliable if that is important to you. I do like Federal 510's for general shooting.
The 22 ammo has been different. I have not shot much Remington ammo other than Thunderbolts and Golden Bullets and I get about a 5-7 FTF per 100 and that is too high. I don't buy much bulk ammo except to provide for kids to plink with. Don't really care if there are some fail to fire issues as I paid for it and they are getting it for free.
I probably have 10-15 bulk packs (Some Remington, but primarily Federal 550 packs) lying around that will eventually get shot. No, I don't consider that much 22 ammo.I'm not particularly a fan of Winchester 22LR ammo, but I haven't shot much of it in the last couple of years. CCI mini-mags are more reliable if that is important to you. I do like Federal 510's for general shooting.
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I'd heard "Golden Bullets" were problematic, but at the time (Obama scare) I was low on .22s and wanted some. Fool me twice, shame on me. I usually use the 550-round Federal bulk pack. That stuff is tip-top in my book. I keep a few bricks of CCIs in the bunker for bad times.
I've in the past 4 months stocked up my limit at WalMart on Federals, I've got probably 25 bricks of them now.
I was also last year given 5 matchbooks of Thunderbolts. After trying to shoot them, I know why they were given away. They are too large to fit in a 22lr chamber. Bizarre, really, but they are just too thick in the bullet. They fit right in the 22 WMR cylinder of my Single-Six, but I'm not going to shoot them that way and blow out a case.
I've made my mind up- never again buying anything Remington in terms of rimfire ammo. Period, don't care if they give me coupons or free swag. Their 22 rimfire is dead to me.
How the heck can you let ten rounds go out with no primer and powder? Sure rimfire is quick, cheap and negligible in terms of profitability but c'mon.
I've in the past 4 months stocked up my limit at WalMart on Federals, I've got probably 25 bricks of them now.
I was also last year given 5 matchbooks of Thunderbolts. After trying to shoot them, I know why they were given away. They are too large to fit in a 22lr chamber. Bizarre, really, but they are just too thick in the bullet. They fit right in the 22 WMR cylinder of my Single-Six, but I'm not going to shoot them that way and blow out a case.
I've made my mind up- never again buying anything Remington in terms of rimfire ammo. Period, don't care if they give me coupons or free swag. Their 22 rimfire is dead to me.
How the heck can you let ten rounds go out with no primer and powder? Sure rimfire is quick, cheap and negligible in terms of profitability but c'mon.
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