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Remington model 58

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by patentmike, Oct 20, 2005.

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  1. Tom Held

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    Buy it

    For $200 buy it. I just sold a model 58 in 28 gauge, plain barrel to a friend who has been bugging me for years for $500. Tom
     
  2. kjohn

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    I, too, just bought a 58 this weekend at a gun show in Moose Jaw, SK. I asked the seller to take it home with him, as we live in the same town, and I was headed the other way to work. It has lots of "character" and lots of charm. I ordered a manual from Remington online. I see from the previous posts that I need to pay attention to which load I am shooting and set it properly. I will try to keep it light. I like to use a semi for shooting gophers in vacant farm yards. Great fun and no nasty ricochets.:p:p I paid $300 for it and a nice old Winchester model 37 single shot.
     
  3. cordell

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    New 58 Remington

    kjohn,
    You did great, and you will not regret it!!! Both the 58 Rem and the 37 Win are excellent guns with the 37 certainly doing excellent as far as the appreciation factor goes. My Remington manual took 2 months to get here but well worth the price ($0):):):).........

    Good luck with your new treasures, I hope your 58 fits you as well as mine!!!!!! Take care and God bless. cordell
     
  4. JimKirk

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    The Crack in the ejection port can be stopped if it is caught early ...simply drill a very very small hole in the recevier at the stock end of the crack! Be sure only to drill thru the recevier wall not anything else. I have drilled several myself ...so far the cracks have not progressed any farther.

    Jimmy K.
     
  5. Maelstrom

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    I almost feel bad mentioning that I bought a fully engraved 12 gauge 58 for $80 outside of a gun buyback a couple of months ago.

    It supplements a similarly engraved 16 gauge I already had.
     
  6. TucsonRider

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    Remingto Model 58 Sportsman

    I've owned this gun for about 40 years. Part of a trade for a car..long story.
    It has been used by everybody but me and some time ago my brother told me that the action would not cycle correctly.

    I finally got the gun back a couple of years ago and took it to a gun shop here in Tucson that has done work on some other guns of mine. He found some broken parts, etc and after $180 parts and labor admitted that he just could not get it to cylce consistently. It does have the poly choke.

    I took it to the range yesterday and tried to see if I could get it to work...frankly the only way I could get it to cycle consistently was to use rifled slugs with the gas set on L.

    I haven't cleaned this gun after this firing, but I just thought I would ask if there is something "unusual" about this gun not cycling poperly.

    Thanks for your help.

    PS. I've read the posts on some of this and it appears other folks are not having this kind of problem, so I assume this is or was a good gun.
     
  7. phalanx

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    'cordell' re: yardsales.
    You have to watch those yardsales. On business in Maine I hit the local yardsales to pass some time. Found one where the retired fella had sold his entire collection at his yardsale. I bought the last one - a 58 FC 12 ga in nice shape for $150.00. No idea what I missed but i will be earlier next time.
     
  8. eclarsen

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    I got my 58 from my uncle. He got it from a friend that tossed it in a trash can. My uncle asked him if he minded if my uncle rescued it. He said no, so my uncle took it home with him.

    The reason my uncle's friend threw it away was that he googed while reloading shotgun shells and he goofed a second time by taking a second shot when the first one sounded odd. Seems one of his shells didn't have any powder in it or not nearly enough. The shot made it up near the end of the barrel. He obvioulsy didn't realize what happened with the previous shot and fired again, bulging the barrel. He was so disgusted with himself that he tossed the shotgun.

    My uncle retrieved the shotgun, cut off the bulged part of the barrel and used it for years before giving it to me.

    I used it on desert quail while in school at the UA in Tucson in the 80's.

    Recently, I found a slug barrel on-line and have harvested a few deer in the IL woods. For a gun last produced in the 60's, it is still doing very well.
     
  9. Old 58

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    Need help with model 58

    Greetings all, new poster here and I have a problem with my 58. This was my fathers gun and the problem I'm having is that it will not stay open after the last shot. Other than that it functions perfectly, feeds, ejects, no problem. It's just after that last shot the action does not stay open. Any ideas? Can this be fixed by a DIY gunsmith? I've gotten into sporting clays and would like to get this gun up and running.
    Thanks
     
  10. mofugly13

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    I have the same problem with my 58. I cannot get the action to stay open. Hope someone can point us to an answer...
     
  11. Virginian

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    Although a crudded up magazine tube can do it also, the most likely cause is a bent carrier latch. Just like the 1100, don't drop the hammer with the trigger group out of the gun. You can try re-bending it to the correct shape, but my advice would be to buy another one. $7 from Numrich.
     
  12. mofugly13

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    Thanks. I took my trigger group out today to see if the carrier latch looked bent. It did not, but I looked at the schematic and picture of the part on Numrich, and it seems there is a little 'tit' of metal at the top of the latch missing from mine.

    SPT58CarrierLatchEdited.jpg

    The part circled is not on my latch. Is that the part that holds the action open?
    I've got one on the way.
     
  13. Virginian

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    Usually you see them bent, not broken, but a new one ought to fix you up. The tab on the carrier goes into the slot on the latch.
     
  14. Old 58

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    I too took mine apart today and thats exactly how mine looked, that little "tit" is missing. Looked at it under a magnifying glass and it does appear a bit jagged, so I ordered a new one from Numrich. Will let you know how I make out when I get it.
    Thanks!!!
     
  15. Old 58

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    Got the latch today, didn't look as robust as the original but went ahead and installed it. Put it all back together and manually cycled it. No go, still wont stay open :confused:. Is this normal or does it actually have to be fired for it to stay open? Not really sure of the operation, but I would imagine even a manual cycle would keep the action open. Any thoughts? mofugly13 how did you make out?
     
  16. Virginian

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    Is your carrier dog, carrier dog follower, and spring clean and working freely?
     
  17. mofugly13

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    I just got the email from numrich yeaterday that my part had shipped, so I don't think I'll see it until Monday at the soonest. However, today I got the "Remington Sportsman 58 Takedown Guide" from A&J arms. There is a pretty good picture of the trigger group with the carrier latch follower, and there is no "tit" on the one in the picture. In examining the trigger group and the bolt, it seems that the carrier dog is supposed to latch into the bottom of the slide that the bolt sits on, and that is how the bolt is held to the rear. I ordered a factory manual from Remington last week, I hope that when it arrives, it will shed some light on the situation.
     
  18. Virginian

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    I know how it works, the carrier dog engages the action bar, but I didn't realize the 58 latch was different. The next shell trips the carrier latch and releases it. The latch is the problem 95% of the time. Otherwise it has to be the dog is not engaging the bar for some reason. I have seen them "frozen" in position on the carrier from a little corrosion, as well as the spring and follower bound up.
     
  19. Old 58

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    Every thing clean and freely working . I'm also waiting for the factory manual from Remington, so hopefully that will shed some light on our situation. Thanks, and I'll keep ya's posted.
     
  20. mofugly13

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    I'm unclear as to what the carrier latch "releases" when it is tripped. I see how the latch is tripped by either the next shell striking it, or by pushing the carrier release. But with the latch in its un-tripped (forward) position, the carrier is still able to be pushed upward manually, as if to elevate the next shell into loading position. By looking at the mechanism, it looks like the carrier latch should hold the carrier, somehow, in the down position until it (the latch) is tripped. I cannot see any protrusion, tab, or ?? on the latch that would interfere with the carrier, keeping it from rotating up to place the next shell into the loading position.

    I'll upload some photos in a sec, I gotta get the Christmas Tree inside right now...
     
  21. mofugly13

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    It seems to me that somewhere in the red circle, there should be a protrusion on the latch to hold the carrier in the down position. Or, perhaps, something on the carrier that would engage the latch when the latch is in the forward position??

    IMG_0017Circle.jpg

    Boy it sure looks filthy in there when you get a real close-up look! FWIW, everthing pivots/moves freely. There is no binding of any parts of the trigger mechanism.


    Also, if I hold the bolt open and stick my finger into the ejection port, if I hold the carrier in the down position, the bolt will stay locked open. So, what is it about the latch that keeps the carrier in the down position?
     
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  22. mofugly13

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    I believe I have it figured out, there is clearly a tab or something broken off of the carrier itself where I've indicated with the green circle. The edge there is rough and it make sense that there would be something there to engage the square hole in the carrier latch. Virginian, does that sound about right?

    IMG_0017CroppedGreenCircle.jpg

    Hope Numrich hs a new carrier assembly in stock...
     
  23. mofugly13

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    A few questions...

    Are the carrier assemblies for the 58 the same as for the 1100? Brownells has a factory assembly for an 1100 for $24.85. Numrich has a carrier assembly for the 58 for $24.60. On the Numrich site the part numbers for the 1100 and 58 are different for the carrier assemblies. I assume Numrich's parts are new factory parts unless indicated otherwise, right?

    I also assume the carrier assembly inculdes the carrier dog, seeing as how it's riveted to the carrier at the factory?
     
  24. Virginian

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    I apologise, I was thinking the 1100 and 58 carriers were the same, and they are not. So much for memory. The 1100 has the release button in the carrier and the part that engages the carrier latch is attached to that. I can only assume the 58 had a piece that engages the latch on the carrier itself, and as you noted yours appears to be missing that part. I do not know if an 1100 carrier, with all the release parts, would fit or not. Do you know anyone with an 1100 who would let you try that?
     
  25. Old 58

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    Good eye mofugly.....I just checked my carrier with a magnifying glass and it too appears to be rough like something has broken. Anyone out there with a 58 that can take a picture of the suspected carrier or verify mofugly's findings? We sure would appreciate it.......
     
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