swoter
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Just bought two of these. Found them on sportsmans outdoor superstore for 299 each. Couldn’t pass that up. Should be at my local shop next week.
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That's a steal.
Most of the Less Lethal guns were handled a lot and shot very seldom.
Most of the Less Lethal guns were handled a lot and shot very seldom.
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That’s what I’ve been reading. Especially for the police magnum.
earlthegoat2
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Well if you shoot someone in the temple. With a bean bag it could still be lethal but in general it is less lethal.
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Love it. Always thought about putting orange furniture on my 870 for deer drives.
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There's a variety of "less lethal" police ammo available.
That includes beanbags, soft plastic slugs, rubber or plastic pellets, tear gas or pepper spray, and others.
Less lethal is only used if they think it will effectively end a situation, BUT, other cops are standing by with standard ammo covering the cop using the less lethal and ready to go full lethal if it fails.
This is why a single person should never use it for defense. If it fails you're open to return fire, and no matter what, legally you've fired a deadly weapon at someone.
By the way, I watch a lot of dashcam/badgecam video. I can only recall two incidents where beanbag rounds were effective. In one case the target was killed by the beanbag--I don't know if it was a .12ga launcher or a 40mm launcher. In the second, a 40mm bean bag launcher was used and the beanbag ended up causing some pretty serious facial injuries to the target. In the rest of the uses I've seen, it either has no effect (other than making the target flinch) or it makes the target mad enough to charge the cops, whereupon they get shot with real ammo.
The 12ga launchers are, as far as I know, completely standard 12ga shotguns. They are marked conspicuously in an attempt to prevent mixups, but that is the only difference.
I'm kind of surprised they allowed those to be sold with the less-lethal marked furniture.
The 12ga launchers are, as far as I know, completely standard 12ga shotguns. They are marked conspicuously in an attempt to prevent mixups, but that is the only difference.
I'm kind of surprised they allowed those to be sold with the less-lethal marked furniture.
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They are standard 12 gauge 870 shotguns, that can fire any 12 gauge round in the inventory. Which is why they have yellow, orange or other highly visible, easily identifiable stocks, to let folks know what the gun is intended to be used for and prevent buckshot or slugs from being put into the wrong shotgun.
Many (most?) have probably fired fewer than 200-250 rounds. They just aren’t trained with often, nor are they fired on patrol much. $299 is a great deal, IMHO.
We had them mounted in the trunks, so guys knew they were specifically getting out the less lethal shotgun and not a regular long arm.
Originally they were called “less than lethal”, but unintended (rare) deaths occurred, so the liability lawyers switched the name. The original “ravioli” style beanbag rounds were made of canvas like material sandwiching #9 birdshot. These had instances where they hit someone on the edge with its sewn seam rather than flat, and that situation led to penetrating injuries/deaths. The “sock” style beanbags are made of what looks like cotton sock material. These have no hard seam and usually have a little tail, so they fly nose forward and moosh out more consistently to prevent penetration.
They can be very effective on some folks. I have used them myself, and been on numerous other calls, where the use ended the situation and everyone survived. I have also seen them be ineffective, nothing more than a nuisance. Like tasers, batons, OC spray, etc., nothing works on everyone, all the time, they are just another tool in the quiver to solve an issue.
(If I bought one, I would immediately swap out stocks with something other than a “less lethal” marked stock, IF the gun is going to be used with anything other than less lethal rounds.)
Congratulations on a great buy!
Stay safe.
Many (most?) have probably fired fewer than 200-250 rounds. They just aren’t trained with often, nor are they fired on patrol much. $299 is a great deal, IMHO.
We had them mounted in the trunks, so guys knew they were specifically getting out the less lethal shotgun and not a regular long arm.
Originally they were called “less than lethal”, but unintended (rare) deaths occurred, so the liability lawyers switched the name. The original “ravioli” style beanbag rounds were made of canvas like material sandwiching #9 birdshot. These had instances where they hit someone on the edge with its sewn seam rather than flat, and that situation led to penetrating injuries/deaths. The “sock” style beanbags are made of what looks like cotton sock material. These have no hard seam and usually have a little tail, so they fly nose forward and moosh out more consistently to prevent penetration.
They can be very effective on some folks. I have used them myself, and been on numerous other calls, where the use ended the situation and everyone survived. I have also seen them be ineffective, nothing more than a nuisance. Like tasers, batons, OC spray, etc., nothing works on everyone, all the time, they are just another tool in the quiver to solve an issue.
(If I bought one, I would immediately swap out stocks with something other than a “less lethal” marked stock, IF the gun is going to be used with anything other than less lethal rounds.)
Congratulations on a great buy!
Stay safe.
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If anyone wants one, they are showing one in stock right now.
www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com
Remington 870 Police Magnum 12 GA Extended Mag Police Trade-In
Grab your Remington 870 Police Magnum 12 GA Extended Mag Police Trade-In for sale at Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore.
www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com
These have been popping up lately.
I was at a gunshow last year and a dealer had a table full so I handpicked one they were $319. Added parkerized sling loops and a M14 seat belt sling. Probably thee smoothest pump I've handled.
I was at a gunshow last year and a dealer had a table full so I handpicked one they were $319. Added parkerized sling loops and a M14 seat belt sling. Probably thee smoothest pump I've handled.
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Update: Sportsman’s outdoor superstore, either did not have any of these, or very few. According to a call I received, their inventory is messed up with a new system. So, me and a lot of other people are not getting shotguns. They offered my money back or another item. Ended up ordering a Beretta A300 ultima patrol.
Riomouse911
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Rats!
But the Beretta is a good shotgun, too, so you will be well armed with one.
Stay safe.
But the Beretta is a good shotgun, too, so you will be well armed with one.
Stay safe.
I would buy this instead:
Less beat up. It's 26" IC barrel, you can add standard remington 12ga mag extension to it If you want. It's older one that doesn't have stupid dimples in the magazine tube, therefore extra mag capacity is easy to obtain.
Both Buckshot and Foster-type slugs in 16ga are still available.
I'm almost certain it will accept 12ga barrel. CDNN has Chinese barrels for 12ga 870 with choke tubes for $100. The only thing one gives up is 3" shell capability because 16ga 870 use standard 12ga receivers.
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Miami_JBT
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Link to the 16ga since I like 16ga.
It was at Greentop Sporting Goods in VA. It's now listed as sold:
It's either on hold being considered for purchase or it's actually sold, no way of knowing w/o calling.
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Finally got my new A300 Ultima out today, shot around 50 rounds, mix of birdshot, slugs, and 00 buck. Loved it. Recoil was mild except for the slugs, but still manageable. Wish I’d bought one earlier.
DustyGmt
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I'd have been happy to find one (or 2) of those for that price. I really like how the synthetic forends mirror and share the same profile as the wooden ones. Those are my favorite, I dont actually have that style on either of my 870's and finding old style wooden furniture sets on ebay are ridiculously expensive, like $100 and up which is ridiculous because when I wasn't looking for them id see them in the "free" or "$5" bins in gun shops all the time.
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Don't mean to hijack, but was the 16ga made on the 12ga receiver?
Yes 16ga 870 is on 12ga receiver just like old single action bar 16ga Mossberg 500s.
It's not big thing as LGS has 1959 Ithaca 37 12ga with aluminum alloy trigger group (originally used on early Ultrafeatherweights in late 1970s) that weighs same as 16ga gun of same make & vintage.
Gordon
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Except the 16 ga. guns on a 20 gauge frame bring the 16 "alive" for upland game uses , where it shines. Size and profile matter for the expert use of upland guns,as opposed to deer or water fowl or turkey use. Althoughj turkeys IMHO are upland game. But for instinctive shotgun mounting at flushing birds, the 16 on a 20 gauge frame are exquisite, suddenly the repeaters thus configured shoot up these with light Continental doubles. The Remington 31 Pumps are my favorite example then you have the Browning A5 "Sweet 16" .
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