Remington Rand 1911 - Amazing part of history

Lower is a Ithaca and top is a S&S. Was not refinished but no mag. Conditions is just like my RR 1911.
Well, then, it's a collection of parts, with the US&S slide being the most valuable of the parts. Still not worth $2,200 for the whole thing.

I would say that $2,200 would be a reasonable price if it was a US&S frame and slide.
 
Well, then, it's a collection of parts, with the US&S slide being the most valuable of the parts. Still not worth $2,200 for the whole thing.

I would say that $2,200 would be a reasonable price if it was a US&S frame and slide.
that what I thought too. I believe US&S only made 5,000? or was that Singer
 
that what I thought too. I believe US&S only made 5,000? or was that Singer
Singer only made 500. That's why they go for six figures.

And Singers are not the rarest 1911s. That title would go to the North American Arms company, a Canadian company, in Quebec, who contracted the Ross Rifle Co. to produce the guns. ( That was a mistake. The Ross Rifle company was turning out Mk III rifles at the time that were failing miserably in the trenches. ) There were only about 100 produced. The NAA guns had some unusual features, like an uncheckered hammer spur, which was longer than usual. That must have been fun, because the short grip safety was present. Hello severe hammer bite !!!

The pistols were contracted for by the U.S. government, but production problems caused the entire project to crash and burn.

Despite their rarity they do not bring the top dollar like the Singer's do. I am too computer stupid to know how to post a link. Just google " North American Arms Co 1911 " to see pics.
 
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Singer only made 500. That's why they go for six figures.

And Singers are not the rarest 1911s. That title would go to the North American Arms company, a Canadian company, in Quebec, who contracted the Ross Rifle Co. to produce the guns. ( That was a mistake. The Ross Rifle company was turning out Mk III rifles at the time that were failing miserably in the trenches. ) There were only about 100 produced. The NAA guns had some unusual features, like an uncheckered hammer spur, which was longer than usual. That must have been fun, because the short grip safety was present. Hello severe hammer bite !!!

The pistols were contracted for by the U.S. government, but production problems caused the entire project to crash and burn.

Despite their rarity they do not bring the top dollar like the Singer's do. I am too computer stupid to know haw to post a link. Just google " North American Arms Co 1911 " to see pics.
YES that long hammer will bit! I did get hammer bits (blood) from the Tisas 1911 reproduction. I guest they wanted you to have the whole experience! lol 😂

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Notice the high standard of polish and the commercial standard blueing. Also notice the two tone blueing on the magazine. I never understood that
they dipped in hot cyanide (if I recall) to harden something

well I’m not going down the expensive and over bought WW2 1911 market. I’m just going to carry it and shoot it!
 
I believe US&S only made 5,000? or was that Singer
Remington Rand was by far the largest producer of WW2 M1911A1 pistols, with over a million produced. Colt and Ithaca each made around 400,000. US&S made around 50,000 and Singer only 500. This is why US&S guns are expensive, and Singers are unreachable.
Get yourself a canvas web belt and a black leather flap style holster. Can’t get anymore period correct that that.
The changeover to black leather accoutrements came in 1956. WW2 holsters were russet leather.

Interestingly, there was a similar change to black leather accoutrements almost exactly a century earlier, when belts and cartridge box slings went from white buff to black.
 
my Local has a Signal & Switch, but $2200 is too much for me.
I see you've updated that it has US&S slide, and Ithaca frame. Saw one with that combination at a gun show, and don't recall the asking. Have a certain weakness for Swissvale, as it was Dad's hometown.
Think $2200 would be a deal for a decent US&S. Still see their logo on railroad equipment. In these parts, clean Remington Rands get 2 grand.
Mark2, don't get carried away with your old warhorse. It was meant for ball. But enjoy it, wonderful old gun.
BTW, a late buddy killed a Nork deader than Dillinger with a 1911 in Korea.
Moon
 
I see you've updated that it has US&S slide, and Ithaca frame. Saw one with that combination at a gun show, and don't recall the asking. Have a certain weakness for Swissvale, as it was Dad's hometown.
Think $2200 would be a deal for a decent US&S. Still see their logo on railroad equipment. In these parts, clean Remington Rands get 2 grand.
Mark2, don't get carried away with your old warhorse. It was meant for ball. But enjoy it, wonderful old gun.
BTW, a late buddy killed a Nork deader than Dillinger with a 1911 in Korea.
Moon
The RR 1911 came from CMP with all the goodies like case + paperwork. I paid $1400.

I’m going to shoot it but with light ball, I’m loading 20% under starting load. Will probably go lower, 25-35% under starting load. Will also try Speer SWC 200g Lead. The barrel looks to be replaced and the spring is also new.

But the gun is really fun to shoot!
 
YES that long hammer will bit! I did get hammer bits (blood) from the Tisas 1911 reproduction. I guest they wanted you to have the whole experience! lol 😂
My Turk 1911 drew blood several times; I rounded and smoothed the hammer spur, and it resolved the issue. Don't recall that problem with GI guns, in my old guard unit, or with my own RR. Oddly, it only happened with the Tisas when firing one handed, pretending to be Richard Crenna on the San Pablo. Unhappily, I didn't have a cutlass for the other hand.
Moon
 
Mark2, don't get carried away with too light, you'll hang one in the bore. Don't ask how I know this.
I have an 800'sec 'softball' load, I'll look it up for you.
Moon
 
My Turk 1911 drew blood several times; I rounded and smoothed the hammer spur, and it resolved the issue. Don't recall that problem with GI guns, in my old guard unit, or with my own RR. Oddly, it only happened with the Tisas when firing one handed, pretending to be Richard Crenna on the San Pablo. Unhappily, I didn't have a cutlass for the other hand.
Moon
That hammer bit hurts… more like a hammer cut. I thought it was going to be like a hamster bit, but more like a baby shark bit.
 
CMP 1911's are good deals IMO. I got in on the 1st round and ordered a Service grade. That one was parkerized. Colt slide and RR frame so it was an arsenal rebuild and stored away. IIRC I paid $1050 for it. The slide to frame fit is pretty tight.

Yours looks like a field grade as it wasn't refinished but I'm not sure how they grade anymore. My understanding is the lottery is closed due to misplaced inventory. If they ever open it again I'll be signing up for another one.

That's a really nice old war horse. I had one in the Navy around 1970.
 
CMP 1911's are good deals IMO. I got in on the 1st round and ordered a Service grade. That one was parkerized. Colt slide and RR frame so it was an arsenal rebuild and stored away. IIRC I paid $1050 for it. The slide to frame fit is pretty tight.

Yours looks like a field grade as it wasn't refinished but I'm not sure how they grade anymore. My understanding is the lottery is closed due to misplaced inventory. If they ever open it again I'll be signing up for another one.

That's a really nice old war horse. I had one in the Navy around 1970.
I’m putting my name in for a Field Grade, I like it not refinished.

the shoot! not Les Baer Grouping but don’t jam up. Magazine was not feeding smoothly, but the gun ate all the ball 230gn
 
My Turk 1911 drew blood several times; I rounded and smoothed the hammer spur, and it resolved the issue. Don't recall that problem with GI guns, in my old guard unit, or with my own RR.
Tisas makes many variations of the 1911. Since the ASF model exactly duplicates the Remington Rand hammer and grip safety, "bite" shouldn't be a problem with that one.
 
Tisas makes many variations of the 1911. Since the ASF model exactly duplicates the Remington Rand hammer and grip safety, "bite" shouldn't be a problem with that one.
one of my Tisas bit me hard
 
Never met a 1911 I didn’t like. If you didn’t want to shoot your adversary you could to real damage hitting them about the head with it. Old MP trick
 
more like a hammer cut.
This. I smoothed and rounded the end of the spur, but really didn't take off significant metal. Comparing hammer profiles, the Tisas and the RR, they are essentially the same, and neither actually pinches my web, The Tisas has more of a knurled pad, wider than the hammer itself, perhaps more like a 1911 hammer. So I think the damage really was something of a sharp edge on the spur.

and you know this how? 😂
That was my star crossed 645. The ringed barrel is still in my junk box. :oops:

My 'softball' load is 4.6/B'eye/230, which shows 780'sec in a 1911. It runs just fine, but isn't hard on me or the gun. Oddly, it uses the same, adjusted, charge bar (in the Dillon) as used for my 1100'sec 9mm load. I've accumulated enough charge bars, over 40 years, to leave some set for standard loads.
Moon
 
If you didn’t want to shoot your adversary you could to real damage hitting them about the head with it.

An old west sheriff's trick, sometimes called 'buffaloing', too. It's among the reasons that S&Ws lock the front of the ejector rod, or enclose it entirely. A NYPD acquaintance says it doesn't work especially well, using a Glock rather than an M10. The perp just said "ow".
Moon
 
An old west sheriff's trick, sometimes called 'buffaloing', too. It's among the reasons that S&Ws lock the front of the ejector rod, or enclose it entirely. A NYPD acquaintance says it doesn't work especially well, using a Glock rather than an M10. The perp just said "ow".
Moon
you guys are seriously serious!
 
Beautiful pistol. Here's my CMP service grade I got in 2023. RR slide on a Colt frame. Usual new barrel. It shoots pretty good. The only ammo to feed these is 230gr FMJ ball over your choice of fast powder. I use WW231 most of the time.
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