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Remington should extend their trigger repair

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by hso, Apr 7, 2020.

  1. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

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  2. mcb

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    On one hand you have had roughly 5 years to get the work done.

    On the other hand I suspect that if you miss the deadline they will likely still replace the trigger if you have a recalled one and ask nicely.

    Personally if I had an older Walker trigger I would keep it, they were very good triggers if you didn't screw with them too much. The only way I would send in a gun/trigger was if I had the early X-Mark Pro that had too much thread locker in them from poor assembly. Those were dangerous IMHO.

    I believe the Marines have refused to give up their Walkers in their M40 though the name of the trigger may have changed its still a Walker at its core.
     
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    I get not wanting to have this drag out forever but..... When it's a safety issue - tough doo-doo on them.

    Here I have a chance to applaude Ruger who STILL gladly takes in P-85s for the Mk II safety corrections. In this perspective, I believe that old Bill's attitude of *make a customer for life* overrides an attitude of some other makers of; "We already got their money!"

    Todd.
     
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    For the time and trouble of stripping the optics off and sending the rifle in, I thought the $118 my Timney cost was a better investment on updating mine.
     
  5. mcb

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    Yeah I think that is why so few, according to the OP's linked article, have been returned for service. It's so easy to change the fire control on a 700 I think a larger portion of the people worried about a malfunctioning Rem trigger just changed it themselves and used it as an excuse to upgrade their trigger at the same time. My only 700 is sporting a two stage Timney.
     
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  6. George P

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    I'll be leaving mine alone. It has worked perfectly for 40 years now
     
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    That doesn't prove anything. Mine dropped the striker 2 times in 40 years with no trigger pull and that was 20 years apart. Fortunately for me it was on an empty chamber both times. I went with a Timney after the 2nd time. Seems like it was about $100 and took me 10-15 minutes. No way I'd be sending my gun back to Remington for this since the new X Mark trigger isn't particularly good.

    This isn't a manufacturing defect that only effects the occasional rifle. It is a design flaw. The Walker trigger is the only trigger ever designed with a trigger connector (a tiny metal bar between the trigger and sear) that is free to move around inside the trigger assembly as the gun is handled. If the connector just happens to line up in the right spot at the wrong time every single one of these guns will drop the striker when the safety is moved to the fire position. If yours hasn't done it yet then give it a little more time and handling.

    And yes, if the trigger is dirty, or has been improperly adjusted it will do this too; so will any trigger made by anyone. But only the Remington trigger has shown that it will do this right out of the box. Even while still on the assembly line.
     
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    I have second hand account form a armorer/instructor/friend of a Timney (unmolested by anyone) in a 700 dropping a striker when the safety was released in a professional training environment, lot of witnesses. Pick a trigger we can find the stories.

    I would challenge anyone to create a repeatable set of conditions that will cause a Walker to fail. Both sides of that law suit spent years and years with engineers and scientist in labs trying to prove/disprove the supposed design flaw in the Walker trigger and neither side could conclusively prove anything. Yes they will drop a striker in the rarest of rare times but not a repeatable failure and not any more often than other trigger on the market, just more publicized. It's a mechanical safety and should not be relied on just like every other mechanical safety on a gun. The NSSF 3rd rule of firearms safety: Don't rely on your gun's "safety".

    YMMV
     
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    The replacement trigger is not expensive. Xmark pro triggers are readily available from lots of online dealers for $35.
     
  10. troy fairweather

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    My walker in my ss 308 has been great, I tuned it. Breaks very clean at 1 pound. Have a early x Mark in a rifle I gave my dad never any problems either. If I had the money the would probably be replaced with timneys or tt.
     
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    My first thought as well, and yep, I bet they would.
    Agreed.
     
  12. Meeks36

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    This is why most of my newer guns are Rugers. Have a few old smith's and others. Keep coming back to Ruger for how they treat customers.
     
  13. hps1

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    In the late 80's, I purchased a new 40XC target rifle, which is built on the 700 action in their custom shop.

    The very first round through this rifle, out of the box, was a FORS (Remington's acronym for "Fire on release of safety".) Details: Preparing to sight rifle in for the first time from the prone position, I loaded single round in chamber, adjusting my sling and position, then pushed safety off, with right thumb and trigger finger.......the rifle fired, with nothing anywhere near the trigger!

    Please, do not trust any safety. Any mechanical device can fail, Remington 700's, however, have shown a propensity to do so over the years. Even Walker, who designed the trigger, recommended a change be made to his original design.

    Regards,
    hps
     
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