removing a thumb saftey?

[masterofchaos]

thefamcnaj, I don't like safetys either so I bought a DAO Sig P250. No need to cock and lock...And to pull that trigger I will need to have enough sense (its a 5-6# I believe).

Maybe consider selling your XD for a XD version or another gun without a safety??

 

[chicharrones]

The suggestions to just leave the safety off are not good at all for people not trained to sweep off a safety. If a shooter is conditioned to aim and shoot a DA revolver or a Glock style firing system, then what happens when a gun with a manual safety is drawn under stress and the safety accidentally was flicked on?

Nothing. No bang right when you need it.

IMO, guns with manual safeties should be carried by people conditioned to carry those type of guns. People conditioned to use carry guns without manual safeties should stick to guns without manual safeties. Not counting range guns or guns in the collection, of course.

 

[VBVAGUY]

Here you go, I hope this helps. God Bless


http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php?version=135

 

[ATLDave]

IMO, guns with manual safeties should be carried by people conditioned to carry those type of guns. People conditioned to use carry guns without manual safeties should stick to guns without manual safeties. Not counting range guns or guns in the collection, of course.

That sounds right, but, again I ask:

If you are so confident that you will never accidentally engage the "bang switch," why are you worried about accidentally engaging the safety? Are we to believe that your index finger is smart, but your thumb is retarded?

 

[thefamcnaj]

Are we to believe that your index finger is smart, but your thumb is retarded?

Now that was funny I must say.
I don't hate the gun, I'm actually quite fond of it. I just won't cc it. It will be my range 45. I only paid 300 for it, its not that big of deal. I'll just keep carrying my g27 or 30 or the xdsc none of which have the ts.
When my wife bought me an sr40c as a gift, I took it to the range and was working on drawing the weapon. This was my first experience with a ts. I was all excited about possibly carrying it. I just didn't like having to sweep the saftey down.
That day I realized it just wasnt for me. One of my best friends who is a Leo and my ccw instructor both said if I was comforable in condition 1 WO a ts, then thats the way to go. I agree with them. Thats just me personaly, my shooting buddy is the opposite. No ts....no carry.
The xd will go on the, "shoot the crap out of but don't carry shelf" in the safe beside the 1911's

 

[ugaarguy]

If you are so confident that you will never accidentally engage the "bang switch," why are you worried about accidentally engaging the safety? Are we to believe that your index finger is smart, but your thumb is retarded?

The trigger is surrounded by a guard which prevents its accidental engagement. The safety lever left exposed on the side of the slide. While uncommon, they have been known to move from getting bumped, or rubbed as they move around throughout the day being carried. Some holsters reduce this risk, but not all. There are extremely few (if any at all) holsters suitable for carrying semi auto pistols which do not cover the sides of the trigger guard. If this doesn't make sense, please let me know what I need to clarify.

 

[Mike J]

Maybe you should try to find someone that would like to have one with a thumb safety that has one without it. Straight across trade & you both would be happy.

 

[chicharrones]

That sounds right, but, again I ask:

If you are so confident that you will never accidentally engage the "bang switch," why are you worried about accidentally engaging the safety? Are we to believe that your index finger is smart, but your thumb is retarded?

As I said, it is my opinion. If a person is conditioned to carry without a manual safety on the gun, why introduce an extra possibility of failure to fire the gun?

For people that use manual safeties on a daily carry basis, this obviously does not apply.

 

[ATLDave]

chicharrones, I would respond by asking: Why would I not introduce an additional element to prevent an ND? There are lots of documented ND's every year. How many guys lose a gunfight because they were fumbling with a safety? Seems like a risky solution to a low-risk (non-existent?) problem.

 

[chicharrones]

Guns with manual safeties can have negligent discharges as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE

As long as the trigger is not pulled, a gun with a manual safety or a gun without a manual safety is unlikely to fire.

I am not making a point to convince people to carry a gun with or without a manual safety. People that carry make that decision themselves and train for the type of gun they choose. Either way works, but the operator of the gun should carry the gun type they are familiar with. This probably goes just as well for safeties that sweep up vs. safeties that sweep down, like a 1911 vs. a 92FS.

 

[ATLDave]

Guns with manual safeties can have negligent discharges as well.

Sure, but they require two mistakes.

 

[chicharrones]

No doubt, it takes two moves if the safety is on. Again, I am not discrediting the use of a manual safety.

My whole point from my first post is, I believe it to be unwise for a person conditioned/trained to carry only pistols without a manual safety to be advised to carry a manual safety gun by simply leaving leaving the manual safety in the off position.

In casual shooting and hunting, I've seen people that have a gun with a manual safety carry their guns without their safeties on as a practice. Considering the type of guns they were carrying (single action), I consider that very unsafe. I've seen those very people accustomed to leaving their safeties off, miss a shot because they went to pull the trigger on target and "somehow" the gun safety was on. They were conditioned to not sweep off a safety and missed a shot (hunting). That was their fault and misfortune.

If this were to happen to someone that carries concealed, the fault and misfortune could harm the shooter trained to carry a non-manual safety gun.

My belief is if a person is going to dedicated themselves to carrying a manual safety gun after years of carrying a non-manual safety gun, they would need to train for that gun. There is some quote out there about "reverting to your level of training under stress".