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removing two squib 22's

Discussion in 'Gunsmithing and Repairs' started by Bw2k2000, Dec 9, 2012.

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  1. Bw2k2000

    Bw2k2000 Member

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    Hi all I got a remington model 41 target master for free that someone has got two rounds stuck in the barrel. I have tried a long piece of brass and a hammer, tried the viniger and hydrogen peroxide 50/50, and just about every thing else. Any other recipes out their minus mercury? Is it time to reline the barrel even though it would not be cost effective for the gun? Any input would be great.
     
  2. Kp321

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    I have never failed to drive 22 bullets out with a brass rod. Use as close to bore size as possible and have a minimum length outside the barrel, even if it means having multiple pieces of brass of different lengths. The 41's I have worked on have very deep rifling which raises the bore friction.
    There are too many things left to try to think of relining.
     
  3. 351 WINCHESTER

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    Pour some Kroil or other oil liberally and proceed.
     
  4. Bw2k2000

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    I was just getting frustrated with it. Ordered some smaller brass rods and will try again. Didn't even think of using kroil. I will give it a shot. Thanks for the quick replies
     
  5. Jolly Rogers

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    If the rods you have are able to slide in the bore and reach the obstruction...they don't need to be any smaller.
    Joe
     
  6. Jim Watson

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    He meant shorter, not smaller diameter, Jolly.

    The idea is to not have so much length of rod out the muzzle that it will bend or even just "twang" and vibrate when hit.
     
  7. Ken70

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    Put some thick oil in the barrel, insert a brass rod close to barrel diameter and hit it. Probably less than an inch sticking out won't bend.
     
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    Kroil or ATF and let it set for a while. No one mentioned heat but warming the barrel with a hair dryer would not hurt. That may even allow the Kroil to penetrate better.
     
  9. rcmodel

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    Pounding on oil in the plugged bore is a bad idea.

    You could bulge the barrel due to intense hydraulic pressure.

    The two bullets should drive right out once he gets some penetrating oil in around them and some brass rod the right size & length.

    rc
     
  10. Jolly Rogers

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    Well...ok
    I don't usually refer to lengths as big or small.:scrutiny:
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  11. Ken70

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    Rcmodel, I realize you're considered an "elder stateman;fossil" around here. But think about what happens if you hit a brass rod onto some oil in a plugged bore. That gun barrel is made of some seriously strong ordnance steel, the lead bullets stuck in the same barrel; not so strong. The bullets will deform or move before you'd be able to exceed the tensile strength of the barrel. I saw this technique in a Brownell's Gunsmithing Kinks book from about the time you were emerging from the primordial ooze. So it's been a long time and there was no retraction/warning in subsequent Kinks books...
     
  12. Bw2k2000

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    Thanks for the adivse guys and sorry to mislead you Jolly but yes i ment shorter rods. I even read that lead will shrink when cooled so i threw the barrel in the freezer for the night. I do think that i was just getting to much vibration because the rod i was using was sticking out of the barrel to far. Not enough thud as some would say.
     
  13. rcmodel

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    Well O.K. then.

    But think what happens if he traps some air under the rod that has oxygen in it?
    And he compresses the air/oil mix enough that it "Diesels".

    And the rod he is pounding on Shoots His Eye Out!! :D

    Then, you'll be sorry I Betcha! :neener:


    Just drive the dang thing out with a proper fitting brass rod!

    rc
     
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    I would think with two bullets stuck..that bore is already bulged!
     
  15. Bw2k2000

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    I don't plan on shooting my eye out anytime soon so we are good their. Also the rounds are stuck in different places. One is about 4 inches from muzzel and the other is about 8 inches form breech. Their is enough space around the bullets to let Rem-Oil go all the way through.
     
  16. rcmodel

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    Well, if Rem-Oil runs through them??

    You should be able to push them out with a good stiff cleaning rod.

    (Unless there are 8 or 12 bullets stacked 4 inches from muzzel to 8 inches from breech.)

    You got no way to know what is between what you think are two bullets stuck that far apart in a barrel.
    And it doesn't ever happen like that anyway.


    I think you got a whole bunch of bullets stuck one on top of the next one.

    Better take it to a gunsmith and hope for the best!

    rc
     
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    Sounds like an excellent start to a build to me - all you need is to choose the new barrel....
     
  18. Ken70

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    You need a slide hammer. A screw on the shaft that impales the bullet and then you pull it out. Google slide hammer to see what I'm talking about.
     
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    use fire, burn em out
     
  20. Bw2k2000

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    You know RC I also think that their is more then two bullets in their. By the way I am a recent graduate of the Colorado School of Trades and this is my first gunsmithing project since school.
     
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    I keep 5mm O-1 drill rod(3') for .22rf and 5.56/223 stuck bullet work.
     
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    you do, realize that Hydrogen peroxide can/will oxidize the bore don't you?
     
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    5mm O-1 drill rod.Cut a piece to length for pistol use.I keep several lengths on my bench and range kit for 22RF and 5.56 use.
     
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    an hydraulic press on that brass rod would be better than a hammer. probably not practical since you will have to remove the barrel, but more effective.

    murf
     
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    Drop in a good brass or stainless steel cleaning rod (muzzle or breech which ever end you can get it in and tap tap tap tap tap tap. Light taps with a mallet or hammer and they will move and come out, Do not try to kill it with a hard wack or alot of force or you will deform them and they will be harder to get out. Many light taps.
     
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