repeal the machine gun ban
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What's a good turn of phrase for it? "Please try and get post-86 CIII weapons on the registration-eligible list" doesn't seem like the best approach.
I'm loath to send a form letter, but having some appropriately bureaucratic phrases at hand would be a help.
I'm loath to send a form letter, but having some appropriately bureaucratic phrases at hand would be a help.
DKSuddeth
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what I simply wrote was that
"922(o) of the 86 FOPA, or what is commonly referred to as 'the machine gun ban', needs to be repealed"
"922(o) of the 86 FOPA, or what is commonly referred to as 'the machine gun ban', needs to be repealed"
DoubleTapDrew
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I don't think they are actually called Class 3 weapons anymore. I think they are usually referred to as Title II (restricted under Title II of the Gun Control Act) or NFA.
I would mention how the 86 ban exceeded the powers of Congress to regulate interstate commerce. Point out the sterling record of registered MGs. Apparently Sam Alito in the SCOTUS agrees. All the 86 ban did was attemp to fix a problem that didn't exist.
What they need to do is clean up the BATF's NFA registry (I've heard it's in shambles) then reopen it to civillian registration of post-86 firearms.
I'd also mention that whatever polititians gets behind the movement to repeal the ban will have one big gold star on his/her record for standing up to the abuse of power that occured and the attempt to circumvent the Second Amendment.
Letters are good but I think for it to work it needs to be a well organized movement. One of the associations trying to preserve/restore the rights is NFA Owners Association. There may be others people can point out as well.
I would mention how the 86 ban exceeded the powers of Congress to regulate interstate commerce. Point out the sterling record of registered MGs. Apparently Sam Alito in the SCOTUS agrees. All the 86 ban did was attemp to fix a problem that didn't exist.
What they need to do is clean up the BATF's NFA registry (I've heard it's in shambles) then reopen it to civillian registration of post-86 firearms.
I'd also mention that whatever polititians gets behind the movement to repeal the ban will have one big gold star on his/her record for standing up to the abuse of power that occured and the attempt to circumvent the Second Amendment.
Letters are good but I think for it to work it needs to be a well organized movement. One of the associations trying to preserve/restore the rights is NFA Owners Association. There may be others people can point out as well.
Jesse James, your argument that people don't "need" machine guns is irrelevant--we have the second amendment so that we can own them if we damn well please (currently infringed upon). If we banned all things that weren't "needed" in the U.S., what would we have left? Certainly not any types of guns. Would this be a "free country" anymore? Do you "need" a 2500 sq. ft. house? No, you could probably make do in an apartment. So should we ban houses and all live in some large apartment compound in an orderly fashion? What about fast sports cars? You can't legally drive 150 mph on the highway anyway, so should we ban Ferraris and all drive Yugos? Maybe we should move to China, where they can tell us we don't "need" more than one child?
Your argument that "psychos" can get machine guns is also irrelevant--the restriction of gun possession via anti-gun laws only restricts those who purchase their firearms through legal means (which criminals and "psychos" do not). The law only affects those who obey it. The people who obey the law are NOT the ones who need to have their guns taken away.
It has been well established that gun laws only take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. Go look at some of the links on the NRA ILA web page. Taking guns out of our hands only encourages "psychos" to get them and use them against us because we can't defend ourselves.
The only laws that affect criminals are laws that enforce stricter penalties for use of a firearm to commit a violent crime. That way, only criminals are affected. By restricting possession, you only affect the good people of this country.
This is not just my $.02, it's a fact. The very reasons for which this country was founded are now being infringed upon by control-hungry antis and politictians.
Your argument that "psychos" can get machine guns is also irrelevant--the restriction of gun possession via anti-gun laws only restricts those who purchase their firearms through legal means (which criminals and "psychos" do not). The law only affects those who obey it. The people who obey the law are NOT the ones who need to have their guns taken away.
It has been well established that gun laws only take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. Go look at some of the links on the NRA ILA web page. Taking guns out of our hands only encourages "psychos" to get them and use them against us because we can't defend ourselves.
The only laws that affect criminals are laws that enforce stricter penalties for use of a firearm to commit a violent crime. That way, only criminals are affected. By restricting possession, you only affect the good people of this country.
This is not just my $.02, it's a fact. The very reasons for which this country was founded are now being infringed upon by control-hungry antis and politictians.
That's not anything like a "moderate," regardless of how many people might think it is. When the entire argument shifts to the left, is the middle still actually in the real middle? No. It's on the left, along with arguments in favor of infringing the God-given rights of citizens.
Thankfully, we don't have a Bill of Needs. If we did, I can only imagine how quickly someone with a similar mindset would tell us we didn't need harsh or profane language, religion, guns at all, due process of law...
So what? Let's get one thing straight. Even if TEN MILLION "paranoid crazies" had military hardware, it still wouldn't cancel, or justify the infringement of, the right of the NON-crazies that want it. (As a matter of fact, it would make exercising the right a lot more wise...)
Sure. Give us handguns to carry. When Big Brother comes (someday...) with machine guns, we'll all shoot their armored selves with 9mm hollowpoints. Because it's all you thought we needed. But we shouldn't resist tyranny anyway, right? We should bend over and take it, because the government knows what's best for us all--and what's best for us is control.
There is a saying about straw, and gold...but there's another one about horses and water that makes it futile.
saltydog
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That "may" or "may not" be so but thats beside the point. Point is "it ain't going to happen"
Everyone appears to be either ignoring or overlooking
www.nfaoa.org
www.nfaoa.org
Sylvan-Forge
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Never say never
saltydog
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Never. I always bet on a sure thing.
DoubleTapDrew
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It could happen if enough of us get behind it (www.nfaoa.org)! The hardest part will be getting the American 'publik' to understand LEGAL machine guns, suppressors, etc. are a non-issue when it comes to crime. Ted Kennedy's car is a bigger public threat than NFA weapons.
Hey since most people think the 'assault weapons' ban included full autos, maybe we can sneak it by that way
Hey since most people think the 'assault weapons' ban included full autos, maybe we can sneak it by that way
Mr.V.
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there's no way the national machine gun ban will be repealed when some of the most populated states in the union have banned SEMI autos.
We have a "conservative" house, senate, president, AND judiciary (1 better than a trifecta!) and there's still no movement on restoring our civil rights in Cali, New York, New Jersey, Illinois, etc.
Be thankful you can still get your hands on semi-autos with evil features.
We have a "conservative" house, senate, president, AND judiciary (1 better than a trifecta!) and there's still no movement on restoring our civil rights in Cali, New York, New Jersey, Illinois, etc.
Be thankful you can still get your hands on semi-autos with evil features.
It can be repealed or at the very least the 86 ban on new registrations can be lifted.
All it would take is for us to get properly organized and behind it.
The tricky part would be combating the Turncoats, that will be harder than battling the liberal panic merchants who's Irrationality can be easily turned against them.
All it would take is for us to get properly organized and behind it.
The tricky part would be combating the Turncoats, that will be harder than battling the liberal panic merchants who's Irrationality can be easily turned against them.
saltydog
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Mr.V. is correct though in my opinion the house is pretty conservative, the Senate is a bunch of wussies (P), and we have a moderate president who doesn't care for semi autos let alone full auto's and has his nose stuck up Mexico's anal. I still don't think that the supreme court would even rule in our favor either.
BTW I sure wish I would have bought that Colt M16A1 new in the box for $625.00 back in 1980. I just could not justify even that price back then.:banghead:
DKSuddeth
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The supreme court has already given the 'OK' that 922(o) is constitutional based on their decision to send "United States v. Stewart (2005)" back to the ninth circuit (a decision that the ninth actually got right for once) with "ashcroft vs. Raich" as guidance, which effectively overturned the 9th Circuit Court ruling. The ruling effectively said that Congress can use the commerce clause to ban homemade or homegrown artifacts such as marijuana or machine guns, even though none of their components were ever, nor ever will be, transferred, sold, or involved in any sort of commerce transaction.
So only congress can get rid of it, unless having alito on the bench now can make a difference in the decision, which I doubt.
So only congress can get rid of it, unless having alito on the bench now can make a difference in the decision, which I doubt.
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