Those that think this was unintentional are more trusting than I.
REPORT: California AG Leaks Names, Addresses, and Assault Weapons Registry o Gun Owners In The State
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Scrapiron45
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A smart crook will be looking at names not on the list......
I don't associate "excellent long-term planning skills" with crooks.
Corpral_Agarn
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Yeah. Pretty likely this was retaliation.
This is just one more proven reason why the .gov should not be involved with your exercise of your rights.
.gov is not our friend
I note that for the purposes of this thread, the term "bad guys" could mean gangbangers, or the CA DOJ. Potato, potahto.
Corpral_Agarn
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2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
I reckon by now just about everybody in the world knows the last four digits of my "soash," my DOB, the "security" code hidden away on the back of my Visa card, and my mother's maiden name.
3863, 01-01-'39, 976, Thackery.
Have at it, crooks, merchants, and health insurance providers. Now nobody has to ask me for that info any more.
"Security !" Ha! I laugh at the joke, ha-ha.
3863, 01-01-'39, 976, Thackery.
Have at it, crooks, merchants, and health insurance providers. Now nobody has to ask me for that info any more.
"Security !" Ha! I laugh at the joke, ha-ha.
Durango_Dave
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The left blames guns themselves for gun violence. Anyone that owns guns must be part of the problem. They have proposed laws that would make gun ownership records public.
Now they no longer think they need to make laws before publishing gun records for the public to see.
Actually the people that have a conceal carry permit are much less likely to commit a crime with a gun than the rest of the public.
Now they no longer think they need to make laws before publishing gun records for the public to see.
Actually the people that have a conceal carry permit are much less likely to commit a crime with a gun than the rest of the public.
I don't believe where I am there is anything such as a gun ownership record. I have a list, but I don't think anyone else has one for me. Maybe they have records of purchases etc. , but I'm not obligated to update a registry or anything if I sell them, and there's no requirement of paperwork for a private sale.
Can't see it going over to publish people private ownership of anything. That could be an incentive for criminals to figure out who has what, and if you happen to have a substantial collection of say Winchester collectibles, a criminal might think you are likely to have a nice collection of other valuables too, jewelry, gold bars, high end electronics. It just isn't any of anyone's business.
IMHO half the home security in the country, is just the notion that the homeowner could have a gun and nobody knows who does or who doesn't. If there was a list of high end homes that did not have a firearm, and that list was reliable .. boy, you sure just put a target on those homes for break ins.
Can't see it going over to publish people private ownership of anything. That could be an incentive for criminals to figure out who has what, and if you happen to have a substantial collection of say Winchester collectibles, a criminal might think you are likely to have a nice collection of other valuables too, jewelry, gold bars, high end electronics. It just isn't any of anyone's business.
IMHO half the home security in the country, is just the notion that the homeowner could have a gun and nobody knows who does or who doesn't. If there was a list of high end homes that did not have a firearm, and that list was reliable .. boy, you sure just put a target on those homes for break ins.
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Durango_Dave
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How could this possibly be an accident? You don't just press the wrong button on your computer and your database becomes a web site.
Durango_Dave
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The constitution only has one sentence to say we have the right to keep and bear arms. It's not the place to write out details such as permits and restrictions. It doesn't forbid permits nor does it make them mandatory.
Anywhere else, this would be a strong argument against collecting that information, which has probably seen little if any use in solving crimes. It certainly plays into the "disarm the populace" notion that gun owner lists will eventually be used for this purpose.
The Canadian gun ownership records system was found to be not worth the effort and expense. Maybe it is time to find out how efficient and effective the CA record system has been in preventing or punishing crime. Where is the FOIA guy?
The Canadian gun ownership records system was found to be not worth the effort and expense. Maybe it is time to find out how efficient and effective the CA record system has been in preventing or punishing crime. Where is the FOIA guy?
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In the interest of preserving the CA DOJ's own words, I'll put this here. It is accurate as of this posting:
California Department of Justice said:
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You can file a lawsuit for anything on anyone. You can sue McDonald’s for serving hot coffee or food that makes you fat.
However, that information distribution was as much of an accident as one getting fat, eating nothing but fast food or coffee being hot.
Good luck to any that file one, they are going to need it for any chance at recovering damages.
However, that information distribution was as much of an accident as one getting fat, eating nothing but fast food or coffee being hot.
Good luck to any that file one, they are going to need it for any chance at recovering damages.
Tinman357
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That release of private information was deliberate. As such it was intended to injure a specific group of people. This is clearly an act of domestic terrorism.
This needs to be investigated at the federal level and every one involved needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
This needs to be investigated at the federal level and every one involved needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
However, see the California Constitution, Article I, Section 1 (emphasis added):
It'll be interesting to see what sort of pushback the AG gets in court, if any.
I'll add just a little emphasis to your quote....
Pat Riot
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Never mind. More political than THR
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RealGun
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It doesn't detail freedom of speech either, yet that is considered holy in any way people want to frame it. We just had a rather abstract ruling concerning religious freedom. Permission or restriction power equates to infringement. I get that rights can be regulated as to eligibility, but since EVERYTHING gets corrupted, that power quickly evolves into infringement too. There is a long, dirty history of that in American history. We should face that rights may not prevail when their exercise is inconvenient to a liberal government.
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My opinion is, it's inexcusable, intentional, and unable to be repaired. I'm quite certain that in the amount of time someone types up a complaint, someone else would know how to download the entire database and format it to make it easy to read.
That allows for someone to be targeted for political reasons, theft, just any number of things.
That allows for someone to be targeted for political reasons, theft, just any number of things.
Pat Riot
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Well, apparently this website with this Orwellian BS explaining how releasing gun owner data is “transparency” now has a problem when one tries to look at the list.
https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-relea...s-new-firearms-data-increase-transparency-and
When you scroll to the bottom and click the little blue “here” (green in the copy and paste)
The 2022 Firearms Dashboard Portal can be viewed here.
You get this:
Me thinks they may have shut it down already…but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-relea...s-new-firearms-data-increase-transparency-and
When you scroll to the bottom and click the little blue “here” (green in the copy and paste)
The 2022 Firearms Dashboard Portal can be viewed here.
You get this:
Me thinks they may have shut it down already…but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
The internet never forgets. The horses have fled, the cat is out of the bag, and Pandora's box is empty. I see no indication that the release was accidental, but the effect is the same.
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