report - walther PPS

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by MontanaBighorn, Jul 31, 2007.

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  1. MontanaBighorn

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    for a long time now ive sought a "deep cover" gun that i could carry with confidence, and conceal with relative ease on light dress days. many weapons came close to being exactly what i wanted, but none fit all my needs. the closest i had come was the springfield EMP, but that it wont cycle +P loads ruled that one out. the g26 is a great weapon, but to thick for a pocket gun. many manufacturers build fine sub-compacts (and i own an XD sub-compact) but just like the g26 the dang things are thick as bricks. i was elated when i learned of the new walther PPS and i did a mad search trying to find one. about a week or so ago a dealer in missoula montana found three at a distributor and i promptly placed my order. i got a call today from my local dealer telling me that my new PPS had arrived. i dropped everything and left work with high hopes. :)


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    i was quite surprised when i opened the shipping box to find what i believe to be the nicest factory carry case ive seen. the bright aluminum case is well constructed.


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    the weapon comes complete with three magazines, an eight round, a seven round, and a six round with the only difference being the size of the finger rest. the eight round felt best in my hand, and the seven round was pretty decent too. i dont much care for the 6 round since it offers no finger support and i prefer a full grip, but i can see how it would be convenient for slipping into the front pocket. the weapon also comes with two backstraps. the smaller one fits smaller hands and gives you a more american grip angle. the larger one for larger hands gives you more of a european grip angle somewhat similar to glocks. the weapon also comes with an owners manual, a lock, a spent shell casing, and the target that the weapon was tested into.


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    xd9 sub-compact beside the PPS


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    glock 19 beside the PPS


    the PPS stands for "Police Pistol Slim and as you can see from the pictures, it is indeed slim. the weapon is so slim in fact that it felt awkward at first. the size is more closely comparable to a walther P22 than it is other sub-compact 9mms.


    at the range: i left the dealer where i picked up my weapon and headed to another dealer for some defensive ammunition (dealer #1 only stocks somewhat over-priced target ammunition). i got 80 rounds of corbon 115 grain +P (holy smokes this stuff sizzles at 1350 fps!) and 20 rounds of corbon 125 grain +P (dang respectable at 1250 fps!). i then headed over to walmart to pick up 400 rounds of 115 grain WWB. i raced to the range to beat dusk, and loaded up all three magazines with 115 grain corbon +P jhp. i selected my target and began shooting. the first thing i noticed was how hot the corbons were! i own several 9mms but typically shoot 125 grain corbons. this was my first time shooting the 115 grain versions and they almost remind me of 125 grain .357 sig corbon loads. once i got used to the recoil (wasnt bad) the weapon settled in nicely....until my 21st. round. after the 20th round the slide locked back and the slide lock wouldnt release. i put a mini-screwdriver in to leverage it a little and it released. i loaded up some WWB and after my first shot the slide again locked back on the slide lock and it would not release again. i unloaded it and inspected it and saw no damage. at this point i decided that its not a break-in issue and have decided to ship my new weapon back to walther for repairs. upon closer inspection it appears that the spring popped off the slide stop and is sitting underneath the slide stop lever preventing it from going down far enough to disengage. i could pop the spring back on, but if it came off after only 20 rounds it will surely come off again eventually and id rather walther make a real fix.

    what i like:

    - fit and finish appear perfect on this weapon. there is no visible flaw anywhere and i can usually spot something even if its a simple machine mark.

    - the size is perfect for concealed carry. you could stick this weapon dang near anywhere comfortably. the thickness (or lack thereof) is exactly what i was looking for.

    - the different size magazines make this weapon adaptable to any style of dress

    - asthetically this weapon is beautiful, although this doesnt matter at all to me.

    - the oversize magazine release works great.

    - the weapon feeds very smooth. no "clunk-clunk" when you release the slide.

    - recoil is almost non-existant. i expected the hot corbons to recoil more severly in such a little weapon, but the dual recoil spring did a great job soaking it up.


    what i dont like:

    - it broke! i know that any manufacturer can make mistakes on production weapons....even walther....and with this being an all new design growing pains are to be expected. still, im quite disappointed.

    - i dont much care for the backstrap safety. when you remove the backstrap it renders the weapon unusable. while this sounds great in theory, to me it seems like over-complicating the weapon, giving it an unnecessary failure point.

    bottom line: its to early to tell. ill ship the weapon off to walther for repairs and try again. ill update once i have my weapon back.

    i didnt mention trigger, and wont until ive had a chance to really try it out.
     
  2. Shipwreck

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    Great review!!!
     
  3. Mossyrock

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    What advantage, if any, does the PPS have over the Kahr P9?
     
  4. GuidoTorpedo

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    This looks perfect! I hope your problems get resolved. I know you said you didn't want to discuss the trigger but I was wondering what it is like. Is it like the first generation P99 triggers or is it more like a traditional DAO?

    Do you mind me asking how much you paid for it?
     
  5. MontanaBighorn

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    the trigger is a glock clone, although i think i prefer the glock trigger a little. i say that because the glock trigger reset is more prominent and the reset point is also the breakign point. i say i think i prefer the glock trigger because this trigger hasnt had enough usage to smooth out yet.

    i dont know of any actual advantage over the kahr other than it is a walther and a kahr is a kahr for whatever that may be worth. granted my weapon failed, but its the first failure ive ever heard of with any walther and being an all new design i expected growing pains going into the purchase.

    ill update when i have my weapon back.
     
  6. SuperNaut

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    I really, really don't like the anthracite poly frames, I much prefer the plain black stock style.

    BTW, does anyone know if the slide is forged or not? The Walther US site doesn't say.

    That recent P22 thread has me spooked.
     
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    The September Guns & Ammo has a cover photo and a very favorable review of the PPS. The reviewer shot "a case and a half of ammo" (however much that is - he did list 12 different loads that he chronographed) without a failure of any kind. There are very nice comments about the trigger, too.

    This looks like a VERY interesting new item, to me. I've loved the feel of the P99, but they are too thick for me to consider carrying concealed. Same for the G26 and the tiny XD. I love my Makarov as a carry gun, but the Walther looks like it would give me more punch in a similarly slim package.
     
  8. TX1911fan

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    The P22 has a lightweight slide, so the issues that some have with that slide will not exist here. Only the First Edition models come with the antracite frames. The other models come with plain black. I keep flip flopping on this gun or an EMP for my carry gun. I'm carrying an XD subcompact, so either one will be a huge improvement.
     
  9. Geno

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    Excellent review and pics! Thank-you!
     
  10. SaMx

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    this looks like a nice pistol. The "anthracite" color, and the general shape are kind of ugly, but if it's in any way similar to the P99 I've shot it should be pretty good, and slim for carry.
    I'm looking forward to hearing more about it when you get it back.
     
  11. Jim Watson

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    Gunzines don't do anything BUT favorable reviews. Wait for Montana to get his back and see if they fixed it... and if it stays fixed.

    There is another paying customer writeup on
    http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256793

    There is a forum devoted to the PPS on the Walther board
    http://www.waltherforums.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=23&order=desc
     
  12. denfoote

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    This harkins to why I'm waiting until Walther gets all the bugs worked out!!

    I've beta tested a couple of pistols before and I'm not anxious to do it again!!
     
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    question:

    "close to being exactly what i wanted, but none fit all my needs."

    Why didnt a Kahr or HK p7 fit all your needs? just wondering.
     
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    I know this does not mean much but that gun is ugly,i hope you have better luck
    after it is repaired after all walther's are good guns.
     
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    x2 on ugly. it looks like a keltec.

    so how much does a PPS cost?
     
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    I bought a PPS with a serial # less than 300. Hadn't fired it, and read the above blog about the problems with his. I locked back the slide on mine and looked into it with my surefire, and there is a spring that looks like something that surrounds the ball point pen cartridge, and is not secured were well that really concerned me. I boxed it back up, and took it to the dealer that I bought it from. He gave me what I paid for it in trade for a Sig P226 Blackwater. I'm going to stick to my Kahr MK9. Couldn't find a holster that would fit it either.
     
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    Hmm using +P rounds to break in a gun doesn't seem like a good idea to me. The gun is only rated for +P not +P+ so you are breaking in the gun with the rounds that are likely to do the most damage, put about 200 rounds of normal ammo before you put +P rounds in a gun.
     
  18. Man With A Gun

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    PPGMD said,
    Why, what difference could it make? If +p damages the gun, then it shouldn't be rated to use it at all. If that's what he'll carry, (+p), best to find out if it works.
     
  20. scurtis_34471

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    I did some comparisons between the PPS and some of the Kahr pistols. The PPS is a half inch longer than the P9/K9, but is otherwise about the same size. It weighs 3.5oz less than the K9 and 4.4oz more than the P9. It is an inch longer then the MK9/PM9 and about half an inch taller. It weighs 2.5oz less than the MK9 and 5.5oz more than the PM9.
     
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    I couldn't find the dimensions for the Bersa Thunder .380CC online, so I measured mine. Its almost exactly the same size as the PPS, but weighs 2oz less. That's pretty impressive. Add 2oz and move up to 9mm? That's a no brainer and I've never had any problem hiding the Bersa. I'm rather attracted to Walther quality in a package that small and will likely keep my eye on the PPS to see how it fairs in the world.
     
  22. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    If you own either a P99, P22 or a Taurus MilPro, do you think you could post pictures of the PPS next to one of these weapons?
     
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