Repressive states...ever considered moving?

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California is my home. My family is here. I believe in family, and I want to raise my children in a place surrounded by their grandparents, cousins, aunts, and uncles.

I also love the weather and the diversity. Very few places in this country have a melting pot as mixed as California. I know that sometimes diversity is not all that it's cracked up to be, but I consider it important.

I'd consider moving back to the Bay Area if California passed statewide shall-issue ccw. There are things I miss about California (the weather being the biggest) but moving to Texas, I found that it's not as "crazy and backwards" as many californians like to claim. Sure, some Baptists are nutty, but all in all, people are more accepting here than back in California. A few exceptions, but I find that to be the case here.
 
Maryland...

+1 to guys who have said they stay where they are to try to stop the lunacy from getting any worse. It's an uphill battle in MD, but a battle worth fighting IMO.

Too many people, too many taxes, crumbling infrastructure(our highways are atrocious), too many bull**** laws such as no duck liver pate' or eating horse, and the inability to buy kangaroo leather products.
Me and the girlfriend are looking in the Grant's Pass area of Oregon.
Can't wait.

Hey Colt - are there really laws that forbid duck liver pate and eating horse, or were you just exaggerating?
 
How is TN as far as jobs and cost of living goes? Hopefully I'll be able to get out of NY in a few years and just wondering about the state.
 
I live in MA and have thought about it. I hate the weather here, and I hate the terrible gun and car laws (both are a passion of mine).

However, my family and the economy keeps me here. I love not being pigeon-holed into a job, I love being able to find a job in no time, having no commute (2 miles), and even getting paid well!

Find me a place where it's warm, doesn't suffer from massive illegal immigration or high crime rates and has a great high tech economy and I'd consider it :)

For now, I'll stick to buying pre-bans.

Dope
 
I like to think that I'm actually doing quite a bit in terms of fighting the gun grabbers here in Cali. I never thought that I'd wind up becoming a political scrapper, but I guess it just happened. Heck, if someone told me two years ago that I'd be working for an 07 MBR manufacturer in California, that I'd have an FFL, and that I'd be holding fundraisers to pay for legal costs in prospective case law trials, I would have told them to go bugger off and smoke somewhere else.

Other than friends and family, and me having few friends in free states... what about the food? I've been all over the world, and CA food is hard to beat. I like chinese food, I like the abundance of fruit, and the pile of supermarkets.
 
I think about moving out of CA every day. The gun laws are part of that, but not a very big part. Cost of living, the cost of doing bizz in CA are all very high compared to other places. Not to mention the regulations on My profession.

I was planing on moving up to OR( already bought land up there) but they will issuse DL to anyone US cit or not... thats pretty much out now. So the lot will go on the market earily spring.
 
I'm from Buffalo originally, but I didn't get involved with with guns until after I left.

Buffalo is a wonderful town, that has a LOT going for it; low cost of living, great people, culture/history, low-priced private education, proximity to lake, colleges, food... There are times I've considered moving back (and I could certainly find a job there), but I haven't because of the high taxes, the entrenched liberal mindset (that's ruining the entire state), AND the repressive gun laws.

It's a shame, but if these negatives weren't present, a lot of people would move there, and it would no longer be so inexpensive.
 
MDHunter

We banned the slaughter of horsie for human consumption in 1998 it was a propostion(#6) I think. I don't remember if you can still eat imported meat though.

SB-1520 passed 9/29 of '04 and makes you a criminal if you process pate or consume it in our 'progressive' state.
 
I haven't thought of moving out of Iowa but I have considered moving out of Linn county. Iowa is a "may issue" state which means it has 100 different policies on gun laws, a different policy for each of it's 99 sheriffs and its Commissioner of Public Safety (for out of state applications).

From what I have heard the Sheriff puts a value of $499 on human life. If you regularly carry more than $500 on your person you can get a license to carry a weapon. "Personal protection" is not considered sufficient justification for a permit. I've also heard that if I was to move to one of a number of nearby counties I'm very likely to find a "shall issue" Sheriff.

I hear the current Sheriff is going to retire and will not run for re-election. I'll see how things change and decide how badly I need to move after that.
 
I can't think of a less repressive state than Alaska, which is just as good. It's my home and I have no real desire to relocate and start all over. When I retire I might spend a month or two in Arizona each winter. We have reciprocity and the Second Amendment climate is pretty decent there too. I was thinking of Page. I have no interest in metro Phoenix. Possibly Sierra Vista area too.
 
Protecting Property

From what I have heard the Sheriff puts a value of $499 on human life. If you regularly carry more than $500 on your person you can get a license to carry a weapon. "Personal protection" is not considered sufficient justification for a permit.
Why, look at this!

We have a sheriff who is okay with killing to protect property ($500+ in cash) but who won't permit the protection of a human life (your own).

That's one twisted sheriff.

That's an elected postion, right?
 
Moving

I was born and raised in the Socialist Republic of New Jersey, despite my parents (and in-laws) ages, 3 days after taking a trip to Arizona, with the wife, I put a "For Sale" sign on my lawn...43 days later I picked up, packed up and left for Arizona...every time someone asked when we would be back, I replied "I'm only coming back here for funerals, you miss us, come see us in AZ".
 
After many years observing NJ inexorably sliding into a socialist Utopia, I left. Repressive gun laws wasn't the reason, though it is one symptom of the apparent collectivist agenda that caused NJ to become unlivable.

The word "agenda" isn't quite right since it tends to evoke images of some state-run closed-door conspiracy to enslave its subjects. That's not what's going on, but I suspect New Jerseyans simply don't realize the extent to which their freedom has slowly been eroded by their grudging acceptance of the following:

  1. Intolerably high taxes, which have grown to support an enormous and expanding state government. Right after he got elected NJ Gov. Corzine wanted an eight percent sales tax, rivaling that of NYC. Under a ridiculous farce of shutting down the state government for a few days, he got the legislature to pass a 7% sales tax and new taxes on items not previously taxed. Yes there's an income tax also, as I recall on the order of 6% (NJ residents correct me on this).
  2. Immense waste and corruption in state DOT construction projects. I have first hand knowledge of this, having once worked in the field. If people really knew where their construction tax revenue went there'd be an armed revolution. Oh, except for those who work in the field. Besides, no one is armed so that's not gonna happen.
  3. Incredibly high property taxes. Most of that is school taxes, a portion of which is sent to poorly performing schools outside one's district. Moving to a good school district simply means more of your money is thrown away to a district in which you have absolutely no say in its disposition.
  4. Ridiculously high car insurance, a cruel reality given it's the most densely populated state, but government intrusion and over-regulation has hampered competition, making a bad situation worse. I had a cracked windshield replaced once; my insurance company paid. It paid $2000. :what: Don't worry, it's all above board and legal. Oh but if you were to replace it without an insurance claim the bill comes to about $250. Something stinks here and this time it's not the refineries near Exit 14A.
  5. Organized crime. Petty and not-so-petty organized crime is well tolerated by New Jerseyans. Why? I've struggled to understand this mindset for years and have concluded that OC functions in the same way that income taxes do. Most people aren't aware they're paying for it - they wrongly assume someone else is. Cost of doing business and all that. Besides, they think nothing can be done about it so shut up and pay up.
  6. Speaking of business ridiculous state government regulations have driven out many small businesses, limiting capitalistic opportunities for me. NJ doesn't seem to want anything manufactured there, only pharmaceuticals, insurance companies and McDonald's are welcome.
  7. State government that must be the laughingstock of the rest of the country. Recall Corzine was seriously hurt in a car accident, while not wearing a seatbelt, his driver doing 91 MPH? Where else but in NJ can the governor use that event to crack down on seatbelt use and yet not be impeached, or at least humiliated? Speaking of humiliated need I mention Jim "I am a gay American" McGreevey?? Yet mark my words NJ will re-elect these idiots time and time again. Bet on it.
  8. Limited legitimate recreation opportunities. Sure, NJ is blessed with wonderful beaches and state parks. Except for one (Wildwood) you have to pay ($$) for the privilege of sticking your toes in any beach sand in the state. That's after you pay ($$) for a parking spot. Only then you're free to wade no more than knee deep, between the lifeguard flags, between the hours of 9 AM and 7 PM, lest the nannys call out the national guard to rescue and fine you. ($$)
  9. Speaking of $$, despite already high taxes, corruption and waste, you have to pay to travel on many of the state's highways and nearly all of its interstate bridges. After the Minneapolis bridge collapse there's been talk of increasing those tolls, and implementing new ones.
I haven't even scratched the surface, let alone begin to discuss NJ's awful gun control laws.

I used to live in a wonderful northwestern NJ county, just across the border from where I live now. I loved it there; I still do. It's beautiful and affluent. Most of its residents are comfortably conservative. Most are well educated and intelligent Many are gun owners. But many of them chose to migrate west, outnumbered and outvoted by the idiots who seem to like things the way they are. So like Geek I joined them.

Geek said:
I did, and it was worth every bit of what it cost.

My neighborhood isn't as affluent, the shopping isn't as convenient, the tooth-to-tattoo ratio is a bit lower, and the drive to and from work is a lot longer. It's worth it.

PA has its problems too, namely a very anti-RKBA big city governor. We have to remain vigilant to the collectivist agenda, which obeys no state lines. But when PA goes the way of NJ, I'll go to NH. When NH goes into the toilet, I'll head to TN. When TN, AZ, TX and all the other parts of the free world become a socialist paradise too, maybe - just maybe - NJ will have seen the light.

But I'm not holding my breath.
 
V35: Very good summation of why NJ is not the place for me.

It was asked earlier about jobs and the cost of living in TN. The cost of living is moderate. Compared to NJ and much of NY and CA, it is down right cheap. The best jobs tend to be in or near the larger cities such as Nashville, Knoxville, Chattanooga. I won't even hint that I like Memphis. If I were looking at Tennessee to move to, I'd limit my search to no more than one hour west of Nashville to the eastern state lines. I like Knoxville a lot since the Smokey Mts NP is within an hours drive. The park is wonderful if you like to hike and have the outdoor type interests (excluding hunting). Tennessee is becoming a retirement destination due to cost of living, natural beauty, georgaphy, and climate. Tennessee's main difficiency are schools, but certain counties or areas have very good ones.

GA, down near Macon. Sounds like you're headed to Warner Robbins. I prefer GA from Atlanta north. Too flat in Macon area. But they do have a new Bass Pro there and of course a Holiday Inn Express.
 
I live in what is probably the most restrictive state in the Union, gun law-wise, and I have never considered leaving. Two reasons: 1) This is my home! I was born and raised here, and won't be chased out and 2) that's exactly what the anti-forces here would want, and would only strengthen their cause and resolve.

No, I'm staying and will keep shooting and supporting other to do so while I try (in vain, no doubt) to convince the bozos at the capitol that legal gun ownership is not the societal threat they need to deal with.
 
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go to college in kansas, midwest is not for me. The social climates and peoples behaviors not being compatable I suppose are the biggest reasons for me not wanting to move. You can call it gods country to your hearts content but let me tell you my experience in the midwest has led me to think thats pure hipocrisy.

One college town in kansas ain't the whole midwest, open you mind a bit. I don't base my entire opinion of NY on one trip across the Cross Bronx Expressway in 1981, nor do I base my entire opinon of New England on the 4 hellish years I lived in CT, talk about hipocrisy...

On second thought your right all you back east folks stay home, the midwest sucks;).
 
I left the Chicago area during the economic crunch when individuals with college degrees were getting turned down for waiting tables or stocking shelves at the Home Depot.

So far, I do not regret my decision.
 
I moved from CA after 47 years - not because of the gun laws but to get married. But the "benefit" of much better gun laws in NV has been sweet and I've bought stuff verboten in CA like a full auto Uzi and a AR. And carry permits are easy to get. Nice.
 
This was last night, down the street from my house.

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This morning, December 26, we went running along the beach with our dogs, then did water retrieves with them. I just ate an heirloom tomato I picked from our vines on the back deck with some lunch we grilled outside. The dogs are resting in the sun and the back sliding door is open. It's about 70 degrees and sunny with wispy little clouds in the sky.

We can walk to the beach, but it's never humid like the East Coast. We don't have the bugs in the Summer, either. The surf is usually ridable, and surfing is a lot of fun, for those who haven't tried it.

There are public hunting areas owned by California DFG, as well as a lot of National Forest and BLM land, all in the county and a relatively short drive from my house. There's rock climbing, mountain biking and good hiking, even in the city limits.

The neighborhood is safe, we have good employment with a trivial commute. Traffic, at least where we go, is minimal, especially by big city standards.

Our pit bull wasn't hauled off to be killed because of her appearance here.

There are a number of good wineries, a short drive to the north, where we can taste and buy some great stuff.

I have had access to sports medicine resources without which I could barely walk at this point. As it stands, I'm in the best shape of my life at 41. The people who have helped get me there are here.

We don't have state-run liquor stores like many states in the West. A bottle of Maker's Mark is under $20 down the street from my house, not $27 like in Montana where I just went. There's stuff we can easily buy that isn't available in the state-run stores, too. Microbrew beer, inexpensive fine wines, etc. Private enterprise and competition, baby.

So yeah, California's gun laws, like 10 day waiting periods and 10 round magazines, can suck -- though our self-defense laws are actually better than many states', and we don't have some FOID or permit law just to buy a gun either. And unlike Michigan, we can shoot doves here.

But you know, I've been to a few places, and I wouldn't choose to live in most of them. I can have a pretty good time anywhere, for a while, and there are a few places I can really see moving to -- assuming I could make an equivalent living there, which isn't always a given. There are many places, though, where I sure wouldn't choose to live, not even so I can legally stuff a few more rounds in my 9mm.:uhoh:

There are sucky places in California, too, and I do wonder why people pay good money to live in them. But this ain't one.
 
The thing that sucks is I would move back to NYS or move to CA in a heartbeat if not for the dumb gun laws. Northern CA is such a nice place. I'd love to cruise the Pacific Coast highway. I think NYC is one of the best cities in the whole country. It has near everything you could ever want... except good gun laws, which ruins the whole thing for me. I've always said, NYC + no AWB + shall issue would be PARADISE. Hop in a cab, take my Kalashnikov to an indoor range, hop back in cab, have lunch at nice restaurant,head back to 10th floor apartment, curl up for awhile, take a stroll through Central Park with my Glock 26 CCW... I've always believed that if I can picture it hard enough that it can come true. I'm going to try and picture this one REALLY hard.
 
I moved from CA about a year ago but not because of the gun laws. My employer was willing to pay me more and the cost of living in Dallas is amazingly low. It's cheaper to live in an apartment in Dallas and continue to pay my California mortgage than to live and work in California.

I regret leaving California because when I was there I had some influence and could at least try to discourage bad gun laws. I also miss the wide open spaces and ready access to public land for shooting and other recreation. I miss the geographic and cultural diversity. The main thing I don't miss is the crowds. In Dallas I can get on an interstate/highway at any time of the day or night and at least be moving. In SoCal I planned my life aroudn dealing with traffic. Get on the east-bound 91 at 5:30PM? Not if you didn't want to spend an hour crawling to the next exit... you could walk faster than than traffic. Of course a motorcycle cures most traffic issues in SoCal but it's nicer when you can go out on a Saturday or Sunday and expect to maintain the speed limit and even rush hour rarely drops below 15MPH.

The gun laws are less burdensome here in Texas. I can go into a store and walk out with a gun I couldn't even buy in CA. But you know what? I didn't buy all that many guns before. I mostly used what I had. I'm not buying that many guns now. I've purchased two guns with non-CA features (magazines above 10rd) and at least in one case I coul've purchased the same gun w/ 10rd mags in CA if I really wanted. In the other I could've bought out of state on my C&R and imported except for the mags. Don't get me wrong -- I prefer being able to buy what I want -- but it isn't a huge lifestyle change for me. A bigger lifestyle change was the loss of open shooting which is a LOT better than going to a range and paying money for a place to shoot.


I think it's a mistake to move out of "repressive" areas as a strategy. If we allow ourselves to be pushed out of places like CA we'll eventually have our own "trail of tears" stories... how we were pushed from place to place until finally we had no place left to go. How we lost our families and our culture and our rights one by one. They don't have to kill you or your family. They just have to teach your kids that you are wrong to like guns. They are doing that right now.

We must make their society incorporate or at least coexist with ours. If we don't, we will lose every last place eventually. To prevent that we must stand our ground in places like California and be the sane human face of responsible gun ownership. Once that face is gone -- once we leave -- they can do whatever they want... and they will fill up their spaces and expand and eventually we'll have no place left.

On the other hand, CA is nowhere near as repressive as some eastern states. No permits to purchase, clear recognition of self defense and defense of others as justification for lethal force, etc.
 
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