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  1. TarDevil

    TarDevil Member

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    With his permission, I'm posting a letter my CCW instructor wrote to all his students and friends. Most has been said, but always good to see it in different perspectives (some North Carolina specific info included):
     
  2. miamivicedade

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    My Letter to my Congressman and Speaker Boehner

    Mr. Speaker,

    Being a Republican has been difficult lately. It seems that every time I turn on the news, Democrats are declaring victory, either by passing some legislation, winning elections, or celebrating Supreme Court victories. More than any other reason, I am a Republican simply because I believe the Republicans are better guardians of our Constitution. By nature, I am a textualist, who believes that logically, there is no other position to take. I have studied the Constitution for many years, and I love it.

    You see, it seems to me, and maybe I’m wrong, that the Democrats are always busy trying to recreate a Constitution that fits them, rather than stay within the boundaries of the one we currently have. I hate how they make everything a national issue, and only defer to the states when their national vision doesn’t pan out. Every time they succeed in pushing something through, or having the Court decide something it shouldn’t, the people have less democratic choice. That is certainly not the vision of America anyone had or has in mind.

    Currently, I can’t help but notice this push for more restrictions on guns. Although this was a quite predictable follow-up to the terrible events in Connecticut, it still surprises me no less that a major political party of the United States of America is laden with members who try to make a serious argument against the Second Amendment and its original meaning. To me, just a guy who works in IT for a living, by the way, the Second Amendment is so clear that I often find it hard to believe there is a debate about it. Further, I find it hard to believe that the discussions around these so called “assault weapons” are based on known mistruths. As an American, I have the right to defend myself, I have a right to protect my family, I have a right to protect my property, and I have the right to expect an honest, fact filled discussion about issues that arise and threaten to take away the liberties of all American citizens. For all those reasons, I am adamantly opposed to any restrictions on firearm sales and magazine size limits. I am also opposed to any registration requirements.

    November’s election had a mandate. That mandate, evident by the House holding firm, was one that demanded both sides come together to solve our nation’s problems. Lately, all I have seen is Democratic victories, Republican caving, and Obama acting like a king by refusing to negotiate and claiming his vision as one we all want.

    I respectfully request, that when the issue of gun control comes before the House, the Republicans deliver a victory for America by putting an end to these nonstop assaults on our Constitution. If the Republicans fail, again, and allow another setback of rights, I will have to resign myself from their company, and will not vote for them anymore. I will exercise my right to remain silent, by sitting at home on election day, until there is a party out there that represents me and the rest of America.

    Thank you,
     
  3. messerist

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    Well put.
     
  4. PCCUSNRET

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    My feelings exactly! I have voted republican since I was old enough to vote (over 40 years) and if they let us down this time it will be the last time I vote.
     
  5. the iron horse

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    You said that well.

    I have voted Libertarian since the eary 1990s, but I have also voted for
    my local Republican congress and senate representatives.

    It's time we all let them know that they should stand by the U.S. Constitution
    and the Bill of Rights.

    Now!
     
  6. vito

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    What I just wrote to my U.S. legislators

    I am a political independent, who supports candidates, not political parties. There are many issues that I am concerned with, but none more than the preservation of American liberty.

    Despite the tragedy of what happened in Newtown, CN recently, we do not need new gun control laws. The types of laws being discussed would do nothing to stop madmen from committing mayhem, and as a voter I will never support any legislator who seeks to restrict or take away my 2nd Amendment rights.

    Should the Biden commission propose, and the Congress seek to pass laws that would stop me from owning the guns of my choice, or would establish a national registry of guns or gun owners, or which uselessly would try to dictate things like the capacity of magazines for semi automatic guns, I will support with my vote and money whoever opposes such laws. Sadly what the NRA Executive Director said is true, it takes a good man with a gun to stop a bad man with a gun. I will not ever support, and will vigorously oppose, any legislator or politician who seeks to make it harder or impossible for me to be ready as that good man with a gun should I ever need to be.

    Protect freedom. Enforce current federal firearms laws. We do not need nor will we accept new restrictions on the 2nd Amendment.
     
  7. gearchecker

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    Sorry,
    You will have no choice, it will be the law. Anything you do in rebuttal to it will make you a criminal.
    If you don't believe me, just ask. There seems to be members here to have the answers about what will be constitutional and what will be considered anarchy or rebelious.
    You certainly don't want to be inciting rebellion with your statement.
     
  8. bubbameat

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    I took "not accept new restrictions" as we will vote any MF'er out who approves new legislation. Not necessarily disobey law. For example, if any new restrictions pass, I will vote based on 2nd amendment alone for MANY future elections. It's good for them to hear that from votes that they may court.
     
  9. Ryanxia

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    An excellent original post. You are not alone, many of us have written similar letters to our Congress critters. Your letter was well articulated and should be a template for those seeking the right words.

    NO MORE COMPROMISE.
     
  10. gearchecker

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    The ultimate argument is this.
    Once it's passed as "Law" it'll take a 2/3 Majority to repeal it. That's nearly impossible in this political climate. I agree that we must stand within the limits of the law, but what are we to do during the time of appeal? If we don't agree to register the guns under the new law we're criminals. If we agree to register our guns they have the information to confiscate them in the future, simply by passing another law allowing them to do just that. And, if given even the slightest opportunity, they will pass laws to confiscate all of our guns.

    This is no catch 22. This is real, and our current constitutional rights are being threatened to the very core of the Constitution. Those currently in power believe that the constitution is a "Living Document" that can be changed by current social will.
    How do you think they can be stopped? We couldn't even get enough people gathered in November to change the current presidential administration. They believe they are imposing the will of the people, simply because the citizens in this country re-elected them again.
    They believe they are the voice of the people.

    Without getting aggressive about our position we have no chance of being heard.
    Conservatives lose because we don't speak up. And if we do speak up, we can't even put forth a long term winning argument.
    The Liberals win because they're loud from the beginning, and get louder and louder as they move along with their agenda.
    Even when they lie continually, they're allowed to tell it long enough, and loud enough that people start to believe it as the truth.

    We all talk a good game, and we're great arm chair quarterbacks, but how many have actiually tried to do something about this problem?

    This forum at this moment has 174,339 members. There is a poll currently asking if we have contacted any of our political leaders.
    To date, 60 people said YES, 6 said NO, and another 9 said No, but they will later.
    Let's do some simple math. 60 /174339 = .00034 - That is .03% of the members in this forum have not said yes.
    Let's consider the importance of this issue.
    Wouldn't you think that a few more than 60 members would have done something positive to support our position? I'll guarantee that a whole lot more than 60 anti-gun activists have sent in their letters, making their voices heard.
    The loudest crying baby gets cared for first.
    Because we don't want the others getting upset because of the one making all the noise.

    The anti-gunners are screaming, kicking and crying the loudest, and they're not going to settle for anything less than all they're demanding right now.

    We need to be loud and be heard on this issue. We can't expect that Ted Nugent or Jesse Ventura will be our only voices. We are "The People"

    Regards,
    Gearchecker
     
  11. Tycer

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    A couple of local letters

    In addition to parroting the Grass Roots North Carolina letters to my national representatives I have a couple of local issues.

    I believe hitting them in the wallet is a different angle.

    Comissioner want's to ban gunshows. My letter:


    Good morning all,

    I received the email below from a friend. If this is correct, and my research shows it is, this could cost the city huge amounts of money. Since the gun rights groups sue under Civil Rights laws, Asheville will be required to pay the plaintiff's legal fees. I believe they have very deep pockets and will spare no expense in hiring the best attorneys and legal aides. Furthermore, Asheville does not need the bad National publicity. If half the families in the US have firearms and Asheville is seen as Anti-Gun, we just lost Half of our tourism base.

    Asheville cannot afford this. Stop now.

    Kind regards from the beautiful Blue Ridge Mountains,



    Our county has a ban on firearms during a state of emergency. My letter:


    Hi,

    Since you are in classes these next two days to discuss such topics, please ask about this topic.

    Buncombe County has a clause in the Emergency Powers Law that mirrored North Carolina law until last year. North Carolina was successfully sued under a Civil Rights Violation regarding the banning of the possession or sale of weapons outside the home during an emergency. State law has been changed to remove that restriction and North Carolina will be required to pay the legal fees of the plaintiffs.

    I believe Buncombe County is open to a similar Civil Rights suit now that the former NC Statute has been declared an unconstitutional violation of civil rights. I do not think Buncombe County can afford to waste money on this type of lawsuit if a simple law change to again match NC law could prevent it.

    Kind regards from the beautiful Blue Ridge Mountains,
     
  12. hso

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    For New York organizations calling for an AWB -

     
  13. hso

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    I've started pulling from the letters back from pro 2A members of Congress to make letter to send to local, state and other Congressional members.

     
  14. wow6599

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    Senator Blunt (MO)

    Here is the response I received from Senator Blunt. Yeah, probably a staffer or automated response, but it's the best answer I've gotten so far.


    Dear XXXXX,

    Thank you for contacting me regarding the rights of gun owners.

    As you may know, I am a strong defender of our Second Amendment rights. The right of law-abiding citizens to own firearms is an individual right guaranteed by the Second Amendment of the Constitution and broadly interpreted by the U.S. Supreme Court. Our Founders clearly understood that one of the most basic rights of Americans is the ability to defend themselves and their families.

    In light of the terrible tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut, there have been calls for immediate action to address gun control. I do believe it is important that we have a serious national discussion about preventing these senseless acts of violence and protecting our children in their schools. Equally important, however, is an effort that more broadly addresses ways to spend federal dollars more wisely when it comes to treating and identifying those who are mentally ill as well as intervening before they tragically impact their own lives and the lives of others.

    There are no easy answers here. I continue to believe that a weapons ban does not fix the issue. Whatever we do, it must be consistent with the Constitution.

    I appreciate your thoughts and will continue to support legislation that safeguards our Second Amendment rights, encourages safe and responsible gun ownership, and keeps our homes and families safe.

    Again, thank you for contacting me. I look forward to continuing our conversation on Facebook (www.facebook.com/SenatorBlunt) and Twitter (www.twitter.com/RoyBlunt) about the important issues facing Missouri and the country. I also encourage you to visit my website (blunt.senate.gov) to learn more about where I stand on the issues and sign-up for my e-newsletter.

    Sincere regards,

    Roy Blunt
    United States Senator
     
  15. GWARGHOUL

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    Weird, I never got a response from him or Claire.

    But, this sounds ok so far.
     
  16. Axel Larson

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    One of My Senators response

    Dear Mr. Engstrom:



    Thank you for contacting me about the school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, and gun control in the United States. I appreciate hearing from you on this very important issue.



    The tragedy in Newtown left me shocked and horrified. As a father and grandfather, I cannot begin to imagine the pain and grief that the families of the victims are experiencing. Many constituents, like you, have written in to me in the past few weeks to express their support for meaningful changes to federal firearms policy. I have heard from parents, grandparents, veterans, teachers, hunters, and children, all expressing their belief that our laws need to be improved, and urging Congress to act. I have also heard from Vermonters, like you, who are concerned that new legislation could interfere with our Second Amendment rights.



    I grew up hunting in Vermont and am still an avid target shooter. I value our Second Amendment rights, and the Supreme Court has said definitively that Americans are guaranteed its protections. But like all of the rights guaranteed by our Constitution, it is not absolute. I agreed with Justice Scalia when he wrote in the Supreme Court's District of Columbia v. Heller decision that the Second Amendment does not prohibit reasonable regulations. The factors underlying the terrible tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut, are complex, and involve a host of issues relating to mental health treatment, firearms policy, and school safety. It is my hope that as this conversation continues, the Senate will hear from many Americans, including experts from law enforcement, from the mental health community, and from leaders in our educational system.



    One thing that I am especially concerned about is the role that mental health records play in the purchasing of firearms. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, is an FBI database that is intended to provide licensed sellers with a quick and easy way to determine if, among other things, a buyer has a history of mental illness. Unfortunately, the majority—some estimates say as many as 91 percent—of mental health records are not in NICS, due to a lack of reporting and legitimate competing values involving privacy. But in order to be effective, the records that make up our background check system must be as complete as possible, and I support efforts to improve the inclusion of these records. In 2007, I worked with a bipartisan group of senators and representatives to pass the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007. This bill, which was unanimously passed by both the House and Senate, helped to improve the collection of records for inclusion in the federal background check system. The bill, which was unfortunately prompted by the tragic events at Virginia Tech in April of 2007, helped to improve the information sharing of criminal and mental health records between state and federal law enforcement agencies. I have supported strong funding for this law and will continue to do so and encourage state and local officials to play their important role in making the NICS database as complete as possible.



    In the past weeks, many, including the President, have called for sensible changes to our federal gun laws. While this has traditionally been a difficult topic to broach in Congress. I am very hopeful that we will be able to work together and make meaningful changes to our national firearms policy, while still preserving the Second Amendment rights that Vermonters cherish. I look forward to starting this conversation early this Congress, and I plan to hold a Judiciary Committee hearing on our national gun control policies. If there are practical, sensible, workable answers to prevent such unspeakable tragedy, we should make the effort to move them forward.



    Thank you for contacting me. Please keep in touch.



    Sincerely,

    PATRICK LEAHY
    United States Senator
     
  17. MOHunter

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    Same response for me too, nothing from McCaskill.
     
  18. Axel Larson

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    Had to have some bbq ribs and a nice bath after hearing this. sounds like he might throw us under the bus.
     
  19. ATBackPackin

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    The one thing that irritates me more than anything else about letters like this one is the blatant dishonesty. I wouldn't like it, but I would at least respect them a little if they would simply admit that they are going to back anything and everything the President puts forth.
     
  20. vamo

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    Got it too, still waiting on claire. She was so fast to respond when I wrote her about SOPA, I guess its easy to respond to something that's so universally opposed by the public.
     
  21. Yuck Mouth

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    I agree!

    I remember when the AWB was about to expire how so many people on some of the gun forums I visit said it would never happen an its a waste to try writing your reps about it.

    I say write them regardless. It's better than sitting around doing nothing! You've got to at least try!
     
  22. HDCamel

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    I actually got two responses from the same senator (Mark Warner).

    One was a generic response that basically thanked me for writing, the second was an actual response to the gun control subject.

    No mention of actual restrictions on firearms or magazines, only reminding me that he holds an "A" rank with the NRA and a bit on strengthening/stricter enforcing NICS and mental health checks.
    In fact, I don't think he's mentioned anything but those things since the shooting.
     
  23. mgmorden

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    Based on the latest NRA interview that I've seen, it sounds like he's promoting their position. The only changes to the firearms purchase process that they sound like they're supporting are better integration of mental health data into the existing NICS system. It sounds a LOT like the reponse you just got:

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2088158329001/

    Truthfully, that's a concession that I can live with. It doesn't create any NICS checks where none currently exist, and it doesn't outlaw or restrict any product currently available. In the places where we already have background checks we might as well try to make them work as well as possible.
     
  24. Axel Larson

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    My worry is he will just go ahead and back anything as long as it includes what he wants. If it was just keeping better mental health records I would not be worried.
     
  25. alsaqr

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    Patrick Leahy is a long time gun hater. He will throw us under the bus.
     

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