Response to politics of gun control

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I'm going to be honest, I think about this issue a lot, and enjoy debates. I just want everyone who disagrees with me to see the error of their ways, correct their line of thinking and understand that to be right is to agree with me. I get frusterated when a thread I have posted to gets locked down. But that frusteration is VERY BRIEF!

We are so fortunate to have a place to learn from a remarkable body of knowledge, that does not get bogged down into acrimonious discussions that serve to automatically cause disagreements and insults between individual posters.

Moderators and staff you do a great job keeping this site remarkable for its information and civility. On this Thanksgiving, I would like to offer my sincere thanks.
 
I just want everyone who disagrees with me to see the error of their ways
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Amen, brother. I need to start with my wife, then I’ll move on to kids and other near family. Then the rest of the world...


+1 to the Mods.
 
What angers me is that many things need to be discussed but we seem to be afraid to talk about it at all. I don't get angry when someone disagrees with me, I just try to explain my position and the reasoning behind it. We can still think differently and still be friends. Heck I've even had people I disagree with actually change my way of seeing some things.
 
I don't argue with Antis. I take Noobs shooting. Bring the 22LR stuff. Show them the fun of it. Always
a good time. Always make another shooter for life. Not much an Anti is going to say which can
contradict a good first day at the range, IME.
 
I don't mind educating somebody who's wrong.

Try to lie, and I'll spare no expense humiliating you, PUBLICLY.

Most of the "movement" anti-gunners I've encountered have benn pathological liars or worse.
 
kmw1954 said:
What angers me is that many things need to be discussed but we seem to be afraid to talk about it at all. I don't get angry when someone disagrees with me, I just try to explain my position and the reasoning behind it. We can still think differently and still be friends. Heck I've even had people I disagree with actually change my way of seeing some things.
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Unfortunately, people have, for the most part, lost their manners in online gun forums.

Guns involve politics and can stir heated debate. This site has chosen to suppress a lot of the emotions and rancor by controlling what is discussed. It seems to be working.

Other firearms sites allow pretty much any discussion, but keep a short leash on troublemakers and remove people who lack self control and respect for others.

And a couple of sites, one notably focusing on Glock pistols, has decided to let people say whatever they want to other members, bully them, stalk them online, and allow personal attacks.

Those sites are like the inner city ghettos of gun forums. I stay out of them.

I like The High Road. Lots of good info and personal attacks are rare.
 
I don't particularly enjoy debates. I find them frustrating because not everyone uses the same or sound logic. Debating or arguing with illogical people is a waste of my time.

A discussion is a different animal and one I'm always willing to engage in in an appropriate setting. i.e. Not at work for the most part.

When someone tries to convince me on some gun control issue, I use the tactic of simply punching a hole in their logic and then disengaging. It gives them something to think about but avoids confrontation.

Honestly, I don't care if people agree with me, as I don't particularly enjoy a lot of people. I just want the human race to not be stupid.
 
Deanimator said:
I don't mind educating somebody who's wrong.

Try to lie, and I'll spare no expense humiliating you, PUBLICLY.

Most of the "movement" anti-gunners I've encountered have benn pathological liars or worse.
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I do not think they are pathological liars; I believe they truly believe what has been parroted to them over many years of indoctrination by the media and the education system in this country
 
George P said:
I do not think they are pathological liars; I believe they truly believe what has been parroted to them over many years of indoctrination by the media and the education system in this country
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I'm not talking about the NPCs and mynah birds.

I'm talking about the "activists". They've been corrected ad nauseum. They KNOW they're lying.
 
Trey Veston said:
Guns involve politics and can stir heated debate. This site has chosen to suppress a lot of the emotions and rancor by controlling what is discussed.
Other firearms sites allow pretty much any discussion, but keep a short leash on troublemakers and remove people who lack self control and respect for others.
And a couple of sites,, has decided to let people say whatever they want to other members, bully them, stalk them online, and allow personal attacks.

Those sites are like the inner city ghettos of gun forums. I stay out of them..
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The point still is there are issues that effect all of us, yet many refuse to become engaged and yes some of it is stifled by these gun forums because they do not want the discourse or bickering that come of these discussions because as stated some cannot contain themselves. Many of these issues are not simple and need discussion and I believe we as active gun owners need to be involved and need to have our voices heard, we need to be part of the solution. Once we give up the narrative in public to the control crowd we have lost. Right now they are much louder than we are and the politicians are listening. Just look at who got elected this past go around.

One new shooter added to the ranks here and there isn't going to make a difference at the speed which the opposition is going. Oh, and this is world wide, it's not just an our country issue any longer.
 
The problem I see is in our world today, nothing can be separated from politics. not guns, not construction, not medicine, not even religion.

The staff does a pretty good job of weeding it out here, but even sdo, I see very bitter, purely political attacks against even pro-gun groups like the NRA. To me, that's unacceptable.
 
What do you even say to these people? Even though they are "anti-gun", most of them own guns,
anyway, and their arguments are illogically circular. I'd rather waste my time untangling 10 year old
fishing line that's been at the bottom of a swamp. It's a more productive use of time.
 
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Deanimator said:
I'm not talking about the NPCs and mynah birds.

I'm talking about the "activists". They've been corrected ad nauseum. They KNOW they're lying.
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"If you repeat a lie often enough it becomes accepted as truth."
 
Dibbs: I've never heard of an "Anti" wanting to visit our private, well-run gun club. But maybe some guests are "closet antis".

I suspect that most women in the nearby city (Memphis) and suburbs are probably a bit "closet anti", due to their lack of exposure to guns, and the very skewed, distorted info from the Very deceptive mass media.
 
Ignition Override said:
Dibbs: I've never heard of an "Anti" wanting to visit our private, well-run gun club. But maybe some guests are "closet antis".

I suspect that most women in the nearby city (Memphis) and suburbs are probably a bit "closet anti", due to their lack of exposure to guns, and the very skewed, distorted info from the Very deceptive mass media.
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"Noob" is not the same as "anti" two different things.I don't waste time arguing with antis. When I can take a new shooter to the range, I can create a shooter for life. Nothing the
antis can do about it. And our ranks become bigger.
 
George P said:
Josef Goebbels...............if you look up all the rest of his quotable statements, you will see the game plan of the current liberals
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Back in the '80s and '90s in FidoNet and usenet, I was debating NAMBLA, Holocaust deniers and advocates of invidiously racist gun controls.

All three used EXACTLY the same tactics:
  1. Deflect - Change the subject when the conversation goes against you.
  2. Use self-referential, debunked sources - Cite self generated, obviously false "sources". The name Michael A. Bellesiles may ring a bell. If your sources contradict your claims, or worse, simply don't exist, just make some up.
  3. Prey on the gullible - Spoon feed NPCs, who when questioned, can't actually explain, much less justify what they're saying.

All three "movements" are fundamentally based in deceit.
 
Folks who are firmly rooted in gun control I don't usually even talk to about the subject.

There are very few things on which I think my position is undeniable, but the 2A is one of them. Generally I am actually fairly open minded on things.

This is why I generally only associate with likeminded folks on gun related topics.

For a few people out there it seems they feel the need to try and convert or appease everyone in regards to guns. That is not only unrealistic but a waste of time.
 
I posted links previously to Goebbels and the rest and was rewarded with a time out, so do your research to see what I am talking about.
 
George P said:
I posted links previously to Goebbels and the rest and was rewarded with a time out, so do your research to see what I am talking about.
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Being that International Socialism and National Socialism are two horns on the same goat one way to avoid time off is to quote Vladimir Ilych Ulianow instead of National Socialists. I mean if years ago for Holloween Prine Harry chose NKVD uniform instead of that black one folks would say he looked adorable instead condemning him.
 
Dibbs: true, but I didn't mean to somehow associate antis with "nubes".

It's just that I suspect that some of the guests who are totally unfamiliar with guns might Also have had some concerns about them, or even a mild/moderate distaste for firearms. Some of this can be due to various reasons with which we are all familiar.

Wish I knew how to motivate the types who are unfamiliar, skeptical, or mildly afraid of them to go to the club.
I know several people who seem to be in this category.

One is my cardiologist, who recently returned from a family vacation to Israel. I mentioned the nightmare at the Pittsburgh synagogue, and offered to give anybody he knows a brief intro. to guns.
He didn't respond, or seem to want to address my offer (maybe his workload that day leaving the exam room), but I would imagine that he comprehends the connection between constant threats in Israel and
the many armed "good guys/gals" there.
 
Good Ol' Boy said:
Folks who are firmly rooted in gun control I don't usually even talk to about the subject.

There are very few things on which I think my position is undeniable, but the 2A is one of them. Generally I am actually fairly open minded on things.

This is why I generally only associate with likeminded folks on gun related topics.

For a few people out there it seems they feel the need to try and convert or appease everyone in regards to guns. That is not only unrealistic but a waste of time.
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All it takes in order to be an advocate of invidiously racist gun controls is a complete ignorance (or total rejection) of the last 200+ years of human history, including:
  • slavery
  • the American Revolution
  • the Trail of Tears
  • lynching
  • the Armenian genocide
  • the Chicago race riot of 1919
  • the Holocaust
  • the LA riots
  • the Pulse Nightclub massacre
  • the Marjorie Stoneman-Douglas HS massacre
 
Johnny: Daddy, do lawyers ever tell the truth?

Daddy; “ummm,,,,”. Thinking......”yes, johnny, some time, lawyers will do anything to win a case.”


Meaning,, say it enough times, convincingly, and even you might believe it.!!
 
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