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Restaurant (w/Liquor License) & Indoor Gun Range

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by ExTank, Aug 22, 2015.

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Yay, or Nay?

Poll closed Sep 21, 2015.
  1. Yes, And I Would Have No Problem Going There

    59.3%
  2. Yes, But Not For Me Due To Safety Concerns

    3.4%
  3. Maybe: I'd Have To Check It Out First

    13.6%
  4. No: Too Much Potential For Problems

    15.3%
  5. No: It's A Disaster Waiting To Happen

    8.5%
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  1. ExTank

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    Florida officials OK booze-serving gun range — because they think it will be safer than others

    Sorry for the lurid (and inflammatory) title, but that's a direct quote of the article's title - so you can probably figure out on your own what the reporter and editorial staff think of the idea.

    Nonetheless: I have to say, given the information actually conveyed in the article, that I don't see a problem with this concept.

    Is there a potential for problems? Sure.

    But I'd also allow that, in spite of the four basic rules of firearms safety, there's a potential for problem(s) every time someone picks up a firearm. Or gets behind the wheel of a car after happy hour at the local bar & grill (1/2 price well drinks and unlimited margaritas!), or grabs the chain saw out of the shed after a few beers, to finally tackle that dead branch/tree in their yard.

    And, if the actual content of the article is to believed, the prospective proprietors aren't going to have any more trouble with boozy clients wanting to get their Yosemite Sam on than any other public shooting venue.

    I mean, if I wanted to, there's several ranges where I could, conceivably, go and shoot after a few drinks (not that I ever have or ever would); but none of them would allow me on their firing line if they caught a whiff of alcohol on my breath, or if I was clearly under the influence.


    So: What say you, High Roaders? Yay, or Nay to the Restaurant Bar & Grill & Indoor Shooting Range?
     
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  2. Bobson

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    Seems pretty niche. Lol

    On one hand, I'd say what's to stop someone from gettin liquored up and then going shooting? On the other hand, what's to stop someone from doing it anywhere else?

    Seems fine to me.
     
  3. cslinger

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    I honestly doubt there would be problems as I am sure the two sides of the business would be heavily policed.

    That being said I am of the mind that alcohol and shooting should be completely separate entities and I am not sure I like having them brought together like this if for no other reason of that of showing a possible irresponsibly or the wrong image to the masses.

    Now a shooting themed bar and or resteraunt completely divested from live fire fine.
     
  4. vamo

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    Says right in the article that people aren't allowed to shoot once they've ordered alcohol I don't see what the possible problem would be.
     
  5. ExTank

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    I know I made the poll public, but I'll admit that I chose "Maybe."


    I would want to have a look-see for my own self, to see if the management is actually adhering to and enforcing their stated policy, before patronizing their establishment.
     
  6. Red Wind

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    Vamo nailed it. I'd go there in a New York Minute. :cool:
     
  7. wally

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    ATF.

    Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms should be a chain of convenience stores, not a government agency!

    :)


    I'd want to check it out. Diner and drinks after shooting would make for a nice outing.
     
  8. Ed Ames

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    This is just puritan trolling. There have been shooting ranges that have bars for decades. It is a non issue.
     
  9. Bobson

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    Good grief, man! Haha
     
  10. Mike OTDP

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    I've shot on ranges in Europe that had attached bar/grill establishments. No problems.
     
  11. 243winxb

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    Booze and Guns, bad idea.

    Booze and guns, bad idea. Went to an NRA Bullseye 1800 indoor 25 yard pistol shoot. Fired as 2 relays. Shoot 22lr, other squad shoots there 22lr course. While waiting to shoot center fire, shooters were bellied up to the bar. One guy put down 3 shots of whisky. This not being my home club, I said something to an official. Was told the guy was ok, and would shoot better after a few. Others were drinking & having lunch also. I was shooting from the end positon of the shooting bench. A guy almost knocked by pistol box on the floor when going down to score targets. To say the least, I was not happy. :cuss: Another time- at a Hunters Benchrest shoot, a girl was talked into shooting a 308 in the match. She had a few drink in the bar before. It was all fun and games till she pulled the trigger. The scope caught her above the eye. Blood all over the place. Yes, one does not have to be drinking for this to happen. I drink, but not while shooting.
     
  12. burk

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    I can see it in some of the new high end gun clubs patterned after exclusive athletic clubs. Take a date to the range, and after enjoy a nice glass of Lagavulin and dinner. I say this as someone whose a pretty responsible Scotch sipper. If your in to putting them down it's not for you.

    Obviously, no drinking before shooting. I suspect they could solve the problem with a breathalyzer at the range door.
     
  13. Sam1911

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    Exactly.

    Plenty of gun/shooting/sportsmen's clubs around here have alcohol in the club house. It hasn't proved to be a serious or chronic problem for any of them.

    This is (eternally, it seems) one of those inflammatory worries folks make a big "to-do" about but that aren't a problem in reality.


    "How crazy would it be if a gun shop had an attached bar!?!"
    "Can you imagine the bullets flying if folks were allowed to carry concealed weapons in bars?!?"
    "What moron would let people carry guns in SCHOOLS?!?!"
    "Carrying a gun around KIDS? How stupid is THAT?!?"
    "What kind of creep would carry a gun in a church?!?!"
    "Who would show up to a concert or stadium with a GUN?!?"
    "What kind of idiot would want a gun on a PLANE?!?"

    Etc., etc. All sorts of "truthy" knee-jerk reactions people make based on their gut feelings not backed up with any sort of critical thinking or real-world facts.

    Let's not ourselves fall into the same sort of habits.
     
  14. Capybara

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    I already shoot at a range that has a full bar and restaurant in SoCal of all places. Not the big deal that the media is making this story out to be. You don't drink and go shooting, you go shooting, put the guns away, then enjoy a drink. But not too many or you will get a DUI on the way home, with guns in the car. Not a good combination. I don't drink but I have never seen an incident at this range involving alcohol and guns. If I managed the range, I would implement some sort of system that only allows drinking AFTER the guns have been put away.
     
  15. Schlegel

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    What the difference between this and having dinner and a drink after NOT going to a range?
    None. It's been done again and again in the US and other countries and Chicken Little has been wrong every dang time. You see the same thing when states let you carry again in restaurants that serve alcohol- a flurry of fear, and then crickets, when nothing happens. The concern trolls move on to the next proposed liberalization, where this time, the streets will really flow with blood, they just know it.
     
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    Before I vote how good of steaks do they have?
     
  19. ExTank

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    I appreciate the links, folks; they're actually helping me out on another forum, in which some hard-line antis are castigating this as the worst idea imaginable, with typical "Doom! DOOOOOM!!" hysterics.


    My responses, essentially pointing out that this particular case is hardly "new news," and that other ranges/clubs, both here in the USA and abroad, have had similar setups without the "rivers of blood in the gutters" antis like to throw around to scare people, have actually made a favorable impression with some moderate antis, some very lukewarm gun rights supporters, and fence-sitters.


    I still maintain that, if I were to live in that area, and were considering patronizing them, I would first like to kind of give the facility, staff, and management at least a cursory "once over" before committing.
     
  20. JSH1

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    I've found in my travels that Europeans have a much more "adult" approach to alcohol than what is found in the USA. I've been to multiple factories in Sweden and Germany where beer was served in the cafeteria and a factory in Italy where a pitcher of wine was on each table. I've seen 10 police officers in the Czech Republic come into a restaurant for a beer and bowl of soup for lunch. Alcohol just doesn't have the stigma in Europe that it does here.

    I have no problem with a gun range with a restaurant. I would be more concerned about lead in the food than alcohol in the range.
     
  21. Schlegel

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    The greatest risk to your life will be unsafe food handling practices. The CDC estimates that 3000 Americans die each year from foodborne illnesses.
     
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    I voted before having read the original post. Ooops. My bad.

    My situation and my sentiments, exactly. I don't see a problem with this arrangement. It's the same thing at a sporty-car open-track high-performance driver-education day; the beers are only opened after the track is closed. I only voted no because I had put the cart before the horse.
     
  23. entropy

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    A good friend and I had that very idea some 20 years ago; It woud have had part of the range able to shoot at long range targets from indoors. (A panel that went up and down, with insulated slots for the target cables.) Also would have a 25 yd. indoor range, gun rental/shop, and the bar would have a solvent tank running through it (where the inside drink rail usually is) so you could relax and have a cold one while cleaning your pistol or rifle.
     
  24. TimSr

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    When Ohio was trying to remove the ban on concealed weapons carriers from entering establishments that serve alcohol, I kept hearing the refrain "alcohol and firearms don't mix" to which I would reply "I agree, but what does that have to do with the proposed legislation?"

    It did pass, and legal carry permit holders can now enter a restuarant or bar that serves alcohol provided they do not comsume ANY amount. You can lose your CCW permit, if you have any alchol in your system while carrying.

    I'm thinking it would be a lot easier to spot the guy that was in your bar trying to enter the firing range than the guy who was in the bar across the street.

    The idea that a shooter can't pass up alcohol if its available until after he's concluded shooting is ridculous. I better empty that beer in my fridge because I have guns in the next room!
     
  25. Carl N. Brown

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    A big deal was made in Tennessee that a hunting/fishing shop was in the same building as a convience store with a beer license. People got their knickers in knots because people could buy guns, ammo, and beer under the same roof. It even went as far as a state attorney generals opinion.

    "Plenty of gun/shooting/sportsmen's clubs around here have alcohol in the club house. "

    I remember stories about the local club having a bar in the old days; at the end of the day, round of trap/skeet whatever, the guns were cleaned, cased, put away, and a civilized dinner, with drinks if you wanted, was served. No shootings in the bar.

    All this hullabaloo illustrates to me that the crusaders against demon rum are cut from the same warp of cloth as the crusaders against the demon gun. And I remember the local option prohibition in Sullivan County TN 1953-1968: I recognized the parallels in rhetoric between the dry forces and the anti-gun crusaders in the 1960s.
     
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