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Results of gun care product evaluation

Discussion in 'Shooting Gear and Storage' started by DIY_guy, May 5, 2014.

  1. lemaymiami

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    A quick note about 3 in 1 oil... For many years I've been tearing down and repairing fishing reels. Any of them that had 3 in 1 oil were gummed up badly since the stuff turns to a varnish like substance as it ages. I tell all my anglers to avoid the stuff like the plague unless they want to be seeing me regularly to have their reels torn down and sorted out...

    I know that this was not a parameter in your evaluations but thought it appropriate since many regard "3 in 1" as a good, light, all purpose lube - as it ages it's anything but.... 99% of my reels are used in saltwater (and since I'm a full time guide they get used ten times more than any average user) so that's the environment that I'm familiar with. Can't say enough negative things about "3 in 1".....
     
  2. JRH6856

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    WD40 (Regular, not Specialist) will tunr to varnish over time as well.
     
  3. DIY_guy

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    We have been experiencing torrential rains and flash flooding. When it isn’t raining its very humid. Its certainly been a wet spring. The UV rays have now completely erased the sharpie marker labels on the boards but I know which is which from prior photos. Here is a picture of the two boards with board #1 at 15 days (360 hours) and board #2 at 14 days (336 hours). The top 3 performing products are continuing to protect the steel plates.

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  4. larryh1108

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    How about the board stored in your house? That may represent proper storage indoors for our safe queens and seldom used guns. They still pristine?
     
  5. DIY_guy

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    Yes, look to post #68 on the prior page. No corrosion as of yet.
     
  6. Skylerbone

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    I'd really love to see some actual fingerprints and or sweat on that board. Any chance you work out and could soak through a t-shirt then touch it to each panel? Most of us probably don't give our gear the white glove treatment even after cleaning so it would be nice to see what an errant print might do.
     
  7. jtf650

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    I'm a little confused. Back in post #10, it appears that Frog Lube failed between 96 and 120 hours on Board #1. But these final posts seems to contradict that and show Board #1 Frog Lube corrosion free after 15 days. Did I miss something?

    I can only echo the admiration others have shown for your work- "impressive" is not sufficient to describe it.
     
  8. krimmie

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    It appears board 1 finalists were one shot, wd 40 specialist, and rust prevent ...post number 11 starts the board number 2 process.

    The winners for board 2 were one shot, frog lube, and wd40 specialist.
     
  9. ohbythebay

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    Frog lube arrived today...

    Tastes pretty good..LOL

    I ordered the solvent and the CLP. Will use it Friday on the guns before the range this weekend...
     
  10. pez_rz

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    Great, really thorough! I am a novice shooter and have struggled getting any definitive info on which products to use.

    Thanks diy guy. I'll be grabbing some one-shot next lgs trip.

    Stainless is very good at resisting corrosion, but I've had other toys (fishing, etc) rust. Is there any risk using one shot or frog oil on stainless steels??
     
  11. vintagerifle

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    Sweat Drop Testing

    Well, this test was an inspiration.
    DIY_guy, the effort and the care you have taken with this test is just fantastic!

    For those who haven't done a test like this themselves, let me say that you often learn a lot doing it. I've done some much smaller tests myself and one of the things I learned was how much the basic characteristics of the protectant/lube and the surface being coated matters to the test. For instance, when you spray the test plates, does the solution bead or run off? Do some plates end up with more water beads than others? Did the rust start at the edges? There are lots of factors, so every test is going to come out differently.
    This test made me very interested in Frog Lube CLP. It seemed to do very well on the test (and I prefer liquids over sprays). I do like that Frog Lube is "green", and I was surprised how well it outperformed EEZOX in this test.

    So I decided to run my own little test of Frog Lube vs EEZOX.
    For my test I use a metal plate that I keep horizontal, and I placed a single drop of sweat on the plate. This way the sweat cannot run off and I get to see what it does to the metal.

    Here is a sample of what happened:
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    In short, the EEZOX panel (on the left side) had some "white" corrosion at the edges of the spread out drop. The Frog Lube (on the right) dried with some "brown" (rust?) corrosion at the edges of it's beaded drop. It was very interesting how the drop of sweat immediately spread out on the EEZOX but beaded up on the Frog Lube. That certainly effected the results.

    It's interesting to see the results from different styles of testing. You can see everything I did on my blog here:
    http://www.vintageveloce.com/2014/05/eezox-vs-frog-lube-clp-drop-of-sweat.html

    I'm really looking forward to see the long term results of DIY_guy's long term indoor test!
    Carl
     
  12. DIY_guy

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    Its been 20 days since I started board #3 which is the indoor board with the (hotdog) fingerprint.

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    The first (and only) sample so far to exhibit corrosion has appeared. The rust is only in the fingerprint area. The sample plate is the one coated with Eezox.

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    For all the positive comments about Eezox, it has been a complete disappointment in lubricity and corrosion resistance.
     
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    Wow, Thank you for your time and effort. Great job.
     
  14. DIY_guy

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    Update on the two outdoors corrosion boards. Hornady One shot has finally failed on Board #2 Leaving Frog Lube and WD 40 Specialist but the Hornady product is still going strong on board #1.

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  15. DIY_guy

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    I am in the process of designing an experiment, process and device to do further lubricity evaluations on these products. The first evaluation was for the coefficient of “static” friction but I fear it was lacking (even though it was a reasonable side by side evaluation) so Im working on evaluating “dynamic” friction forces. The long holiday weekend should provide me with time to get this going.

    Static coefficient of friction was pretty straight forward with the weighted sled and the addition of water to eventually break free the friction forces between the two metal plates but I am devising a constant motion evaluation so I can capture the friction forces between two metal plates that are continually moving to gauge lubricity of the products as well as wear over a greater duration than the static friction evaluation I have already conducted.
     
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  16. Krogen

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    I like what you're doing, DIY_guy. This is all interesting and useful. I look forward to your report. As Mork would say, "I'll stand by with worm on tongue." (i.e. "bated breath.") ;)

    Thanks much!
     
  17. JRH6856

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    You used WD-40 Specialist Corrosion Inhibitor for these tests,

    I would be interested in seeing how WD-40 Specialist PTFE handles the lubrication test.

    I would also be interested in how the two work in combination. Or if the two can work in combination.
     
  18. DIY_guy

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    I share your interest but in the long run I hope to find a do-all product rather than having to clean with one product, lube with another and fight rust with yet another product. Thus far the Hornady and Frog Lube seem to be as close as I can find to a do-all product. I will still use the WD 40 specialist in a lot of places as a dedicated rust fighter that are not firearms applications. At this point I dont plan to introduce any new products into this evaluation but I have not ruled out a 2nd eval down the road.
     
  19. JRH6856

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    Since you are creating the testing models, do you have any objections to anyone using them to test other specific products and combos that are outside of your interest parameters?
     
  20. DIY_guy

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    Are you asking about my methods or are you asking to borrow my devices? Anybody can evaluate any products they want using the methods I employed. I hold no right or control over another person doing such a thing and in fact I would invite others to do the same as a way to increase the confidence level (or disprove the results)
     
  21. JRH6856

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    No, I can duplicate the devices easily enough. But having worked in graphics and publishing, I am over cautious when there is any possible issue of creative rights. Some people have really sensitive toes.... :uhoh:
     
  22. akarguy

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    Post of the year! Nice work
     
  23. DIY_guy

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    Ive completed the device I assembled and plan to use to measure dynamic friction forces. There are some refinements I need to make but I think the concept is pretty straight forward.

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    Here is a video of the dynamic coefficient of friction device in action. Its clear I need to work on the consistency of the smoothness of the big saw blade. You can hear and see the variations in smoothness.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ll66unVgMo

    In the coming days I will evaluate the friction reducing properties of the products I have previously evaluated for lubricity and corrosion resistance.
     
  24. JRH6856

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    I'm sitting here wondering what that "musical saw" sounds like. :evil:
     
  25. ohbythebay

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    Friction = heat

    You need a thermometer.

    Lower the heat, less the friction, better the lubrication
     
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