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Deanimator - Thanks, kharma works in good time. I could handle a Hitler museum in a historical/research sense, but glorifying him, well, reap the wind . . .
 
Deanimator-

Why are you so in favor of the unjust treatment of men who have not been convicted of any crimes in legitimate proceedings?

Take Standartenführer Peiper, for example. His conviction was the result of (exerpt taken from the Wikipedia entry you linked to) "confessions...coerced by the use of mock hangings and harsh beatings of the prisoners." Also, according to your provided link, his sentence was drastically reduced due to that fact. When convicts are treated in such a lenient fashion and liberal "compassion" isn't at play it's a sign that the court is choosing not to overturn the conviction outright for the sake of saving face. A conviction gained through torture is not a legitimate conviction.

The link you posted also had this to say about Peiper's character: "On another note, while in Italy, Peiper discovered that the Italian government had captured a group of Jews. Peiper had them released to him, and he then set them free. One of the Jews was a rabbi, who later wrote a testimony to Peiper's kindness during his war crimes trial." This does not sound like the behavior of a butcher.

Applauding the lynching of an old man by communists is sick.

As for Mr. Demjanjuk, you seem to forget the fact that the Israeli Supreme Court overturned his crimes against the Jewish people conviction and sent him back to the US. Additionally, shortly after returning to the States it was determined by the 6th US Circuit Court of Appeals that he was the victim of prosecutorial misconduct and that his last name wasn't even remotely similar to that of the true "Ivan the Terrible." As for the second revocation of his citizenship, it's no exaggeration to characterize that as a gross miscarriage of justice. The court accepted shaky evidence that he served in the camps and demanded that he counter the accusations with virtually unobtainable records of his internment.

One can only hope that if he is unjustly deported to Ukraine he'll face better treatment there than he has here for the past couple of decades.
 
1. If you lied on your immigration forms, you need to leave the US.

2. Joachim Peiper was responsible AT LEAST for Malmedy and Ouradour sur Glaine. He deserved to die, but Joe McCarthy got him off. He got justice later.

3. I believe that there is serious doubt as to whether John Demjanjuk is "Ivan the Terrible". There's NO doubt that he's a concentration camp guard. After all, HE says so. His defense was, "I'm not THAT concentration camp guard, I'm a DIFFERENT concentration camp guard." He needs to be deported, NOW.
 
come on, the guy had his family threatened with death if he didnt serve, so when he served, they put him at a consentration camp, like he had a choice....like the russian front.
 
come on, the guy had his family threatened with death if he didnt serve,
Really? That's a new one. The typical story is that they served as guards so they wouldn't starve in German POW camps. I doubt the Germans knew or cared where his family was.

We have enough evil people who were born here. There's no need to import them.
 
Deanimator said:
3. I believe that there is serious doubt as to whether John Demjanjuk is "Ivan the Terrible". There's NO doubt that he's a concentration camp guard. After all, HE says so. His defense was, "I'm not THAT concentration camp guard, I'm a DIFFERENT concentration camp guard." He needs to be deported, NOW.

O RLY?

Again from Wikipedia: "Demjanjuk himself testified during the trial in Israel that he was imprisoned in a camp in Chelmno until 1944, when he was transferred to another camp in Austria, where he remained until he joined an anti-Soviet Russian military unit funded by the German government until the surrender of Germany to the Allies in 1945." (Emphasis added)

Has your bloodlust caused you to ignore the fact that one of the major pieces of evidence against Mr. Demjanjuk was an ID card from his alleged training period at Trawniki and that said piece of identification has been denounced as a forgery by the commandant who supposedly signed it, Mr. Karl Streibel? As a side note, 5000 prisoners were trained as guards at Trawniki--only 300 of them going on to serve at concentration camps. The overwhelming majority protected bridges, supply dumps, etc.

Terrible things happened to civilians during WWII, but there's no solid evidence that Mr. Demjanjuk was responsible for any of it.
 
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