Return of the Remington R51

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Well one can only hope that Remington has finally gotten it right this time. If you had one, or know of somebody who did, please let us know how the new pistols are.
 
I'm just giving them a hard time. I REALLY hope Remington has got the design down. To say the first iteration was a disappointment is a gross understatement, but I really like the design and I think it has potential to be a great carry gun.
 
Onmilo said:
Anybody on "The List" actually get one of these back yet?
Asking for a friend. :evil:
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I've contacted Remington with the FFL info, and been TO the FFL who faxed a copy of his license to Remington while I was there.
My last info from Remington last week indicated they hadn't "processed" their faxes yet, so no joy with actual gun yet .... but I'm hoping for sometime this week. :scrutiny: Maybe. :uhoh: ...hopefully?
:neener: --Thanks for the encouragement Mr. Smilie. ;)
 
I received my notification on Wednesday the 22nd, and called Remington to set up shipment to my LGS. I received a call from the LGS late this morning saying the R51 had been delivered and was ready for pick up..and I will retreive it as soon as my work schedule allows.
 
Guys please if able let us know of any and all quality problems of your new R-51s if you have them. That would help us a lot!
 
Extra bonus points for lots of photos - I'm guessing there will be some visible differences from the old model.
 
WHO WILL BE FIRST TO POST!!!?

I want to believe...



...that this isn't some sort of, 'elaborate ruse...'

:D

TCB
 
I'm guessing there will be some visible differences from the old model.
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I bet not external ones; that'd burn any last fragment of bridge with the holster, laser, grip, and sight makers who went out on a limb to have their product ready for market, only to be left holding an embarrassingly full bag.

TCB
 
OK, I picked up my new R51 today at my LGS.
The 1st thing I noticed was the "R51" logo is now just in back of the ejection port. IIRC it was further back on the slide .... just in front of the cocking serration.
The magazines are new. The follower has a little ramp that will raise the nose of the round a little. Four came with mine; 2 in the slots in the cardboard case and two additional in a bag.
The old magazines do fit. Do they function?
I think that new ramp was added for a good reason, and it may improve function....but that doesn't mean the old ones won't work. This we'll have to see.
Also, the base plate is different. The old ones were flat and the new ones are thicker and rounded, causing the magazine to stick out slightly beneath the grip, but not much.
Why did they do this?
I don't know ... to increase interior volume? I haven't broken the magazine down to see but it could only have added a couple millimeters.
One good thing; although I haven't yet broken mine down, I have examined the insides as much as working the slide permits. The interior seems well crafted and while it has obviously been machined, I see no scratch marks, no tool marks, it all seems very well done to the degree I could see it.
All in all, preliminarily, I approve.
Now, all that remains is the function test.
 
After many months of waiting, I was disappointed by negative reports.
Then they seemed to take their time (and mine) to get it right.
Got tired of waiting.
Bought a SCCY CPX-2. Now Cabela's wants $80 more than I paid.
Guess I got that one right.
Still wish the best for the new and improved R51!:)
 
Oh me, oh my! So many questions!

"The magazines are new"
Are they better quality?
-Is the back face of the mag body milled to the point that the corners & weld are nearly cut through like before? Do the lips spread when loaded?
-Are the feed lips sharp?
-Are the mag still ridiculously stiff to load? See again sharp feed lips.
-Are the floorplates the same? Do you still have to seat the plate past flush to latch it? Do they still flex outward under spring pressure whe loaded
***"Also, the base plate is different. The old ones were flat and the new ones are thicker and rounded, causing the magazine to stick out slightly beneath the grip, but not much.
Why did they do this?"***
------It's true! They really did listen to us! :D
-Are the beads rolled into the sides of the mag the same? The old ones were basically 45acp mags squeezed down for 9mm, the larger caliber an obvious later intention by Remington

"I think that new ramp was added for a good reason, and it may improve function....but that doesn't mean the old ones won't work. This we'll have to see."
My old mags work fine, so long as the gun itself is clean & greased. Unless they moved the barrel up to center on the slide or something, they should still work (but were rather low quality)

"I have examined the insides as much as working the slide permits. The interior seems well crafted and while it has obviously been machined, I see no scratch marks, no tool marks, it all seems very well done to the degree I could see it.
All in all, preliminarily, I approve."
That's all well and good :cool:
-Is the bolt, hammer, and other visible small parts still MIM? I heard the trigger is now plastic
-Is the extractor spring still a round rubber ball?
-Does the firing pin still extend a 1/4" out the bolt face when pressed on?
-Is the firing pin channel still a cavernous 3/32" wide? Do primers still dimple?
-Is the rack/manual cycle any smoother or easier?
-Are there peening marks where the bolt hits the disconnector (small ear in front of the hammer), and corresponding wear in the frame where those peens dig into the aluminum locking surface?
-Is the locking surface still aluminum, or is a separate steel insert present?
-Are the locking cams in the slide still sharp? Are the mating cams on the side of the bolt smooth/polished?
-Is the chamber clean, or does spent brass look like it was pulled through sandpaper? Does a cartridge pass the 'plunk' test, or does it stop early or wedge in the chamber of the bare barrel?
-Is the trigger still a stiff, hard 6-8lbs, with enormous overtravel? Is the hammer engagement still highly positive (hammer moves back when trigger is pulled)? Does it click on reset (people apparently care about this)? Does the trigger feel a bit 'springy' or 'squishy' before the break, due to the stirrup flexing?
-Does the disconnector push down easily with finger pressure, or is it stiff? Is the safety easy to operate, but crisp/positive in its movements?

-Is there glitter or excessive grease inside the gun as delivered? :p

Now, all that remains is the function test.
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Wrong. Pictures come next :D ;)

Oh, and how was the Pelican case? Was it *custom*? Still trying to figure out what the heck a daily carry-type gun needs a Pelican case for. :p Me? I'd have wanted a free laser sight, or holster, or wood grips, or night sights or something. A casual glance suggests those accessories should still be viable :cool:

TCB
 
I remember the first two we received in our shop and I had a chance to look them over. They felt really rough when the slide was pulled back. One of the customers who bought one said the slide got stuck half way back. A day later he had an out of battery discharge with it! The next week they were recalled that that's the last I heard of them. Not much of a first impression.
 
My FFL reported he has a tracking number for mine, here's hoping.

I'll give Rem the benefit of the considerable doubt on my R51.
 
"They felt really rough when the slide was pulled back. One of the customers who bought one said the slide got stuck half way back. A day later he had an out of battery discharge with it!"

1) The poorly made disconnector would bind when struck by the slide, causing a rough feel and/or jams out of battery in really poor examples. Also, the cams on the slide which lift the locking block were machined with sharp square corners, which would dig gouges into the locking block cams in sort of 'washboard' pattern that would be felt when pulling the slide
2) The chambers were poorly reamed, so anything but undersized bullet shapes could cause the action to stop short. The locking block must be down (locked) for the firing pin to be struck by the hammer, but the initial set-back of the breech face inherent to the Pedersen action will allow for some case distortion or primer failure (I think I've seen an example of a pin-hole rupture so far, so nothing like you get when a true OOB ignition happens, but obviously not desirable)

TCB
 
Barnbwt, really, all those questions.
I'll answer your last question. The Pelican case is black, style iM2050, has what pelican calls "pick and pluck" foam rubber. It comes "pre-plucked" to fit the pistol and two magazines. Also has the Remington logo on top.
Mine came in a plastic bag and had a preservative oil on it.
I was busy today and unable to take it apart....tomorrow I will and should be better able to get to examine the guts.
Save for the different follower and as the mags are identical.
I don't know what the extractor spring is made of....

Are you getting a replacement or did you keep your original?
Mine looks the same as I recall the original, except for logo position, and the insides being made better.
 
barnbwt said:
Oh me, oh my! So many questions!

"The magazines are new"
Are they better quality?
-Is the back face of the mag body milled to the point that the corners & weld are nearly cut through like before? Do the lips spread when loaded?
-Are the feed lips sharp?
-Are the mag still ridiculously stiff to load? See again sharp feed lips.
-Are the floorplates the same? Do you still have to seat the plate past flush to latch it? Do they still flex outward under spring pressure whe loaded
***"Also, the base plate is different. The old ones were flat and the new ones are thicker and rounded, causing the magazine to stick out slightly beneath the grip, but not much.
Why did they do this?"***
------It's true! They really did listen to us! :D
-Are the beads rolled into the sides of the mag the same? The old ones were basically 45acp mags squeezed down for 9mm, the larger caliber an obvious later intention by Remington

"I think that new ramp was added for a good reason, and it may improve function....but that doesn't mean the old ones won't work. This we'll have to see."
My old mags work fine, so long as the gun itself is clean & greased. Unless they moved the barrel up to center on the slide or something, they should still work (but were rather low quality)

"I have examined the insides as much as working the slide permits. The interior seems well crafted and while it has obviously been machined, I see no scratch marks, no tool marks, it all seems very well done to the degree I could see it.
All in all, preliminarily, I approve."
That's all well and good :cool:
-Is the bolt, hammer, and other visible small parts still MIM? I heard the trigger is now plastic
-Is the extractor spring still a round rubber ball?
-Does the firing pin still extend a 1/4" out the bolt face when pressed on?
-Is the firing pin channel still a cavernous 3/32" wide? Do primers still dimple?
-Is the rack/manual cycle any smoother or easier?
-Are there peening marks where the bolt hits the disconnector (small ear in front of the hammer), and corresponding wear in the frame where those peens dig into the aluminum locking surface?
-Is the locking surface still aluminum, or is a separate steel insert present?
-Are the locking cams in the slide still sharp? Are the mating cams on the side of the bolt smooth/polished?
-Is the chamber clean, or does spent brass look like it was pulled through sandpaper? Does a cartridge pass the 'plunk' test, or does it stop early or wedge in the chamber of the bare barrel?
-Is the trigger still a stiff, hard 6-8lbs, with enormous overtravel? Is the hammer engagement still highly positive (hammer moves back when trigger is pulled)? Does it click on reset (people apparently care about this)? Does the trigger feel a bit 'springy' or 'squishy' before the break, due to the stirrup flexing?
-Does the disconnector push down easily with finger pressure, or is it stiff? Is the safety easy to operate, but crisp/positive in its movements?

-Is there glitter or excessive grease inside the gun as delivered? :p


Wrong. Pictures come next :D ;)

Oh, and how was the Pelican case? Was it *custom*? Still trying to figure out what the heck a daily carry-type gun needs a Pelican case for. :p Me? I'd have wanted a free laser sight, or holster, or wood grips, or night sights or something. A casual glance suggests those accessories should still be viable :cool:

TCB
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I didn't pay attention at the time to the problems reported for the original R51 but if this is a list of the things that were wrong/defective/poorly designed on the original gun, I would never be willing to give them another chance.
 
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