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Revolver Sticker Shock

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Confederate, Mar 30, 2010.

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  1. Confederate

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    I was in a gun shop today and saw a S&W 686 priced at $909. Next to me was a fellow filling out paperwork for a Ruger GP-100 which had a price tag of $680.

    I was astounded at the prices and the price difference. Having a 4-inch Security-Six, I also was surprised that the GP-100 felt like a frickin' boat anchor! (What was Ruger thinking when they made the thing so heavy?)

    But the prices are what floored me. The suggested retail is $701.

    Back when I bought my first Ruger .357 years ago, I recall that a new Security-Six stainless went for $169. The fascinating thing is that a used stainless Security-Six back then sold for almost the same amount. The gun I bought had been slightly used, but had a nice set of wood grips with them. The price was the same as a new gun with skinny grips. I checked other gun stores and discovered the same thing, so it wasn't unusual.

    Now, used guns (A+) can go for $200 or more less than a new gun. Trade-ins back then could be reasonably done, but now dealers are like car dealers.

    Some of the reasons for this include the massive amounts of paperwork, federal and state laws and taxes; however, if this continues, I foresee dealers becoming little more than tranfer agents with people buying from each other and from mail order places. Maybe it needs to happen.

    Thunderbolt .22LR ammo was selling for $5 for a box of 50 rounds! This is stuff I won't even put through my guns because it's so dirty and unreliable.

    I live in Maryland, which is one of the most hideous states in the Union.

    Please tell me things aren't like this everywhere! Why I left my beloved Virginia is beyond me. I must have been nuts!
     
  2. wow6599

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    I agree that the Ruger GP is "big", but it's only 3 or 4 ounces heavier (IIRC) than the 686....I have both. I would say that the shop you were at had the Ruger priced about $150 more than most and the S&W about $225 to high.
    JMO though.
     
  3. Nick5182

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    I know at the local store here I can get a New Stainless GP100 for 499...I don't know about a smith...
     
  4. Guillermo

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    unless you want a high tech material, new revolvers are inferior to old revolvers in every way.

    Besides, giving money to Smith and Clinton is like paying Sarah Brady.

    And a used Ruger is a much better deal than a new one.
     
  5. BullfrogKen

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    Oh. Well it's Maryland. What do you expect? The "Board" and all.


    There were several reasons I left the "Old Line" State, but gun control was at the top of the list. Seriously.


    Used to be a revolver cost less than a semi-automatic of comparable quality. Those days seem to be gone.
     
  6. gunnutery

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    Sounds like that dealer was smoking something. Both prices seemed high. S&W's are high priced to begin with but that's too much. I bought my GP100 for $450 after tax about 8 years ago, I do know the price has gone up a little but not that much.
     
  7. MCgunner

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    Yeah, I got my stainless Security Six for 189 in 1978 and my Smith M19 ran me 199 a year later. Now days, I just look. I got a deal on my two Taurus 66s used, 200 and 180. The 4" was 10 years ago, the 3" I got for 180 was 4 years ago. I really appreciate the Taurus bashers, gives me a way to buy a quality used revolver on my budget. :D I haven't checked the price on the used 66s lately, but I doubt they've gone up THAT much. I actually prefer them to that Security Six, more accurate and easier to shoot hot loads from.

    The GP100 was designed for strength. Ruger got what they wanted, but at the price of weight. Yeah, I much prefer the medium frame guns like your Six for actual use. I have a 6.5" .357 Blackhawk that doesn't weigh any more than the standard full lug 4" stainless GP100. I sorta prefer the Blackhawk for hunting and outdoor uses, traded my Six for it. Awesome hunting revolver, very accurate, very rugged and strong. The Blackhawks are going up, too, though. Used to be able to find a good used one pretty cheap. I guess CAS did away with that, not sure. Oh, well, good to know my cold steel investments are beating my stocks, I mean, not that I wish to cash in on 'em or anything..
     
  8. gwnorth

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    Around here, I see new 6" GP100's going for about $489 or so. A 6" GP100 is within about one ounce of the weight of a 686, and the dimensions of both are very near equal.
     
  9. Dave T

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    After several years of not buying any guns I started shopping for N-framed S&Ws. I didn't want anything new, just the older stuff I first learned to shoot when I was a young man. The prices I saw on GunBroker.com and GunsAmerica.com were stunning but not as big a surprise as when I happened to visit the gun counter at the Bass Pro Shop. Saw a 4" HB S&W M10 for $640. Dang near passed out when the blood drained from my head in shock (LOL). The prices for the 4-screw and 5-screw Smiths I was seeing made a little more sense. Still too high to afford the best ones but I'll take a old one over the new stuff any day.

    Dave
     
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    I payed 549 for my 6 inch GP100 about 4 months go....The smith that was next to it was 709
     
  11. 22-rimfire

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    The prices that you saw were very high even though revolvers tend to be fairly expensive.
     
  12. rcmodel

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    What do you base that statement on?
    S&W today is not even owned by the same British conglomerate that owned it when they did the dirty deed with Clinton.

    Today, the management is all new, and the company is employee owned by the Americans who work there.

    If you are referring to gun locks?
    Part of doing business in all 50 states.
    Like it or not, S&W didn't have any choice if they wanted to sell guns everywhere in the country. Including the largest population centers in the country.

    rc
     
  13. huntsman

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    $395. out the door in 1995 for a KGP141.

    yes maybe they have gone up but I'm willng to pay more if it's steel so...
     
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    Why is it that people don't bitch about Ruger locks? Because they are not as visible?
     
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    Ruger
    KGP-141 1705
    .357 Mag. 6
    Stainless Steel
    Adjustable sights
    4.20" barrel
    9.50" overall
    40.00 oz.

    S&W
    SKU: 164222
    Model: 686
    Caliber: .357MAG/.38+P
    Capacity: 6 Rounds
    Barrel Length: 4"
    Front Sight: Red Ramp Front
    Rear Sight: White Outline Adjustable Rear
    Grip: Rubber Grips
    Frame: Medium
    Finish: Satin Stainless
    Overall Length: 9 5/8"
    Material: Stainless Steel
    Weight Empty: 40 oz.

    Same - Same but different
     
  16. Guillermo

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    not wanting to hijack but the Smith lock is an idiotic design that is PART OF THE ACTION. In addition it works on the same axis as the recoil of the gun. It is one of the stupidest designs ever devised by a major gun manufacturer.


    Yes, it is true that they have changed hands but the signs of their capitulation is clearly visible on the side of each of their guns.

    So swerving back to the OP, the older guns (unless you care about ultra light materials) are superior in every way and better deals.
     
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    The GP100 has a lock?????
     
  18. DT Guy

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    And Ruger is STILL owned by the company that Bill Ruger headed; you remember Bill 'no citizen needs a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds' Ruger, right?

    I'll take Smith-they at least disavowed their error.

    Larry
     
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    Perhaps because they don't have a reputation for turning themselves on without the key while shooting? I don't know, just sayin'. :D
     
  21. gwnorth

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    Also because none of Rugers double action revolvers actually have an internal lock. Of the single action models that have them (they are in the grip frame under the grips) the model numbers with an "L" in them have the internal lock.
     
  22. TexasBill

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    I remember when a brand-new S&W Model 10 went for just under $100.00 at list price. $78.50 was the police price. A Colt Python was $200.00. Of course, that was 40 years ago. Back then you could by a brand-new car for $1600. The increase in both types of price seems to be about the same. The real problem is that most incomes haven't kept pace with the cost of living. To have the same purchasing power that it did in 1970, the current minimum wage would need to be about $9.22/hour.

    I have a couple of modern S&W revolvers with the lock. It doesn't bother me, hasn't accidentally engaged in thousands of rounds of shooting. Both guns are well made with good triggers. I have enough gun issues to be concerned about to worry about something that happened in the Clinton Administration.
     
  23. Guillermo

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    when did they do that?

    Even if this is true, they still have a lock that is PART OF THE ACTION OR THE GUN

    So they did nothing to fix their "error"

    that is like saying "sorry I stole your car...I am keeping it"
     
  24. Vonderek

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    It's useless to compare prices today to prices 30 or 40 years ago. That $189 in 1978 is the same as $628 today. Here's a handy inflation calculator so you all don't feel so bad about the cost of guns today: http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl
     
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    I paid $450 for Like New M57 Pinned & ressesed. No, not years ago, but last year. Gunbroker. Shocked me no end.
     
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