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RIA 1911 vs CZ 75B

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by R3dundantC, Feb 19, 2009.

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  1. R3dundantC

    R3dundantC Member

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    Well, its payday today I'm gonna purchase a new toy this weekend and am torn between a CZ75B in .40SW or a RIA 1911.

    I've shot CZ's before and 1911's before and I love both, but I can't afford both right now.
    What would some foreseen pro's and con's of having one over the other?
    Or is there something else that I am overlooking? I'm not a huge XD or Glock fan. (infact I'm selling my Glock to fund the new gun).
    Thoughts anyone?
     
  2. burningsquirrels

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    they're both generally well liked guns.

    what are you buying them for? that's the decider. carry? for fun? or sporting use?
     
  3. Pilot

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    Totally different firearms excpet they are both semi-autos. Do you want a single action 1911 or a hicap, DA/SA wondernine.........errrr, wonderforty?
     
  4. R3dundantC

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    Well, for the most part, they'd be for home def, but they will definitely be getting some plinking in, and the occasional carry when I'm out hiking and need to fend off squirrels and pot farmers.
     
  5. Quoheleth

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    Both excellent calibers.
    Both excellent guns w/excellent track records.
    Distinctly different handling characteristics - DA/SA vs. SA only.
    Grips are a little different, too.

    You need to handle them both and make a decision based on what you feel, how the gun handles, how it points.

    I cannot use a CZ75, no matter how much I want to - the trigger is too far out and my trigger finger cannot reach it enough to make contact. Folks have said, "Carry it cocked & locked, or get the SA model." If I want to do that, I'll stick with my 1911.

    FWIW, while the Glock & XD don't do much fo ryou, you might try the Smith & Wesson MP-series. Great shooter, great ergos, nice trigger that gets better & better with use, and is a coated stainless gun.

    Q
     
  6. burningsquirrels

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    "Well, for the most part, they'd be for home def, but they will definitely be getting some plinking in, and the occasional carry when I'm out hiking and need to fend off squirrels and pot farmers."

    sticking strictly between what you like.... they would still fit both roles just fine. if you need capacity, go for the CZ.

    either way, you can't go wrong.

    "but I can't afford both right now."

    if you're on a budget, the RIA is a great buy, and you can get a used CZ later. shoot, i saw a used RIA for $269 recently, i'm kicking myself for not buying it!
     
  7. R3dundantC

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    the RIA at my gunshop is like $340 or so. Ima shop around a bit more. Friday I'm going to the "Big City" and hitting a couple gunshops there.
     
  8. burningsquirrels

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    cool.

    while you're at the gun shop, don't be afraid to ask the folks to hold a few other pistols. it never hurts. i had a buddy who was dead set on glocks and blah blah raved about how he was going to buy one. i took him to a shop and rented a glock, m&p, xd, and loaned him a CZ, and borrowed a beretta and sig.... now after his xd purchase he raves about how everything else "sucks" and blah blah xd blah blah xd. :D point is, never be so certain about a purchase when you could potentialy have a better fitting pistol just one shelf over.
     
  9. Atticum

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    its not full size, but the cz p-06 is new this year and claims to be a p-01 with "improved metallurgy, quality control and design." It is a result of studies CZ made on the p-01 and suggestions from the police departments that carry it. It comes standard in .40 S&W.

    I'd run that by burningsquirrels as he is a resident CZ expert
     
  10. burningsquirrels

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    if he were to go with a CZ, a P-06 will meet his needs. it will be lighter to carry than a standard steel 75B and the steel 1911, and comes standard with a decocker.

    http://www.cz-usa.com/products_handguns_cz_compact.php

    i wouldn't call me an expert, just an enthusiast. but thanks for the kind words. :D
     
  11. Texian

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    I have the RIA Tactical and really enjoy it. It is a little pricey to "plink" with, but oh so much fun. (you should try shooting a golf ball with it....way cool..)

    I would go with the .45 if you asked me.
     
  12. Thomas Garrett

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    Go with the RIA Tactical. .45. and get you a .22 conversion kit for it. Best of both worlds. You can always go down, when the need arises:evil:.
     
  13. R3dundantC

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    I know that CZ makes a Kadet kit for the 75. Is there a specific kit for the RIA? or will any 1911 conversion work?
     
  14. burningsquirrels

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    any 1911 kit will work. CZ kadet kits are known for being very accurate as well.

    you'll hear a lot of people talk about some kits working like crud... well, all 22 autoloading conversion kits will run like crud on cheap ammo IMHO. cheap ammo typicall doesn't feed right from a misshaped nose, or doesn't have the power to rack the slide. so keep it in mind when you shoot a 22 conversion kit that it's normal to get a jam or misfire once in a while. that said, 22 kits are awesome. you get to practice more for cheap, and with dirt cheap 22 ammo, you get to practice clearing malfunctions. :) typically when you move up to something like CCI mini-mags, they run perfectly. good manufacturing with reliable ignition and consistently stronger loads run semi-auto pistol conversion kits good.
     
  15. Thomas Garrett

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    Any conversion kit ear-marked for the A-1 model will work. Personal experience don't use Winchester Xpert HV .22lr's. won't work, even in my Buckmark's. won't cycle the slide.:cuss:
     
  16. R3dundantC

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    I have several thousand rounds of CCI minimags. I always keep a stockpile of them. Best .22 I have ever shot.
     
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    sounds like you're ready to go then, lol.

    generally known as bad for autoloading 22 conversion kits:
    remington thunderbolts (very bad leading, but reliable cycling)
    remington golden bullet value (fouling, misfiring, feeding)
    federal champion (leading)

    generally known as favorable:
    CCI minimags (reliable, accurate, consistent, poor man's match ammo)
    CCI stingers (just like minimags, but with a bigger punch if you want to hunt or for your 22lr carry)
    federal 550 value pack (clean, accurate, best of the cheap stuff, but still has the occasional feed or misfire - but nowhere near as bad as the other value packs)
     
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    My Kadet works very well, I don't think it has malfunctioned on me even with Remington Golden Bullets.


    I say get either one, if I saw an RIA for $270 like BS did, and I had the money, I think I'd buy it. Not an impulse buy though. The RIA should have a better trigger than the CZ.


    Oh and my kadet Kit also likes the Aguila 60 grain SSS load. I like it too.
     
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    My wife went to Walmart prior to Valentine's Day. Bought me 4-500 round boxes of Expert HV. The sales man said "great" hot ammunition for .22lr's.:cuss: After 20 rounds of that stuff in my Buckmarks, (1- brand new, 1- 6 months old). We are now "digging" for the receipt to return 3 boxes of that :cuss:, sorry guy's, but felt like i was going to have a stuck round in the barrel on both, and alot of FTE's. but i did shoot 1 cylinder (6 rounds) out of my Officer's Match 6". shot ok for that, (i'll shoot the rest of the 1st box), but "NOT" for automatic's.:eek:
     
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    The Advantage Arms kits recommend the use of Golden Bullets.

    Good luck most places won't return ammo.
     
  21. burningsquirrels

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    most of the people i know had bad experience with the golden bullets, and so have i... lots of duds from their 525 count box...

    ammo sales are typically non-refundable.
     
  22. NoneMoreBlack

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    I was cross shopping the exact same pair. I settled on the 75B, mostly due to cheaper ammo. I have been pleased as punch so far. I have the DA/SA model, and carry C&L, but you can always opt for DA carry. I found both the CZ75 and various 1911s (especially double stacks) to fit my hand very well.

    But, I also couldn't find any RIA's locally, so I would have had to go online, adding about $50-$100 worth of shipping and transfer fees. If somebody had had one of their hicap's for MSRP, I may full well have jumped on that instead.
     
  23. stolivar

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    Try the RIA Compact

    Here is mine. It was $424 out the door. Love it.

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    steve
     
  24. MJZZZ

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    I went through the same issue a couple of years ago. I have a .357 for home defense and I couldn't get a fast reload down pat, so I bought my full sized RIA 1911 for quicker reload and higher capacity. After a while of carrying it, I looked like a gangbanger trying to hold my pants up if I didn't wear my belt so tight it cut off circulation to my feet. I started my search over and came to the CZ P-01, higher capacity, quick reload, and absolute reliability. It is now the home defense/plinker that I love. Now I've got 5 CZ's and still adding to my collection and would never sell my RIA, but to me, home defense equals higher capacity and highest caliber you can shoot accurately. You can see I lean toward the CZ 75B. Mike
     
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    What do you already have? No need to replicate a need/use.
     
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