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Discussion in 'Legal' started by SundownRider, Dec 2, 2008.

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  1. SundownRider

    SundownRider Member

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    Just looking for some clarification. With the creation of UN Ambassador as a cabinet position, doesn't this mean that Obama is looking to eliminate or guns through treaty, which supersedes the constitution? On a side note, isn,t the appointment of Hillary a violation of the constitution, Article I, Section 6?
     
  2. nwilliams

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    I wouldn't worry about it. Obama will probably try and impose some harsh gun control laws and another AWB but I don't see an all out ban as being very likely.
     
  3. Thin Black Line

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    Start researching UN, Small Arms, Disarmament, Transparency, etc. I was
    doing this back in the 90s and I would be happy to see more people take
    up the baton. I see absolutely no reason why the new administration
    wouldn't consider this backdoor approach.

    The best attacks consist of both overt and covert methods. And the worst
    ones always involve lawyers working an angle via "loophole".
     
  4. ServiceSoon

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    If we can buy guns without using the Brady system (gunsshow loop-hole) why can't the ruler of this country use a loop-hole to past their agenda?
     
  5. Art Eatman

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    We've had a number of fairly knowledgeable folks present evidence/argument that no treaty of the UN would supercede the Constitution. So, let's drop that subject. And Obama's possible "aims" are political, not legal.

    Commentary about Article I, Section 6, and the appointment of Senator Clinton as SecState, however, are up for discussion.
     
  6. Walkalong

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    That is good news, and I pray they are right. :)
     
  7. ServiceSoon

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    Seems easy to understand by me.
     
  8. zombienerd

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    So, all I'm seeing is that she'd have to resign first, I think that section just means nobody can hold BOTH positions.
     
  9. Thin Black Line

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    Well, this could get interesting [TBL puts bag of popcorn in microwave]
     
  10. Nickotym

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    As I read it, Sec of State would be unavailable to Clinton if she was part of the Congress when changes were made to the position. To my knowledge no changes were made in recent years, so she is cleared to hold Sec of State.
     
  11. Art Eatman

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    It looks like the key phrase that folks are looking at is, "...during the time for which he was elected..."

    IOW, she's seen as ineligible during the six years from when she was sworn in as senator.
     
  12. Thin Black Line

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    Art, are you saying some rules still apply?
     
  13. Lone_Gunman

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    Being a member of the cabinet or not should make no difference.

    That statement simply is untrue. I know the moderators don't want political discussion here, but to say that Obama's aims are political and not legal makes no since at this point. He has been elected, and the politics part is over for now. Every policy and action he takes as president is clearly in the realm of law and legal issues.

    I agree that is the key phrase, and if we interpret that statement strictly, I think it means she can't be Ambassador until the end of the Senate term for which she was elected. If she resigns with two years of that term left, I don't think she could serve until after that two years have passed.

    Personally, I would be happy to move her to UN Ambassador, and get her out of the Senate.
     
  14. Titan6

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    May you live in interesting times.

    Given that the new adminstration goals are:

    http://change.gov/agenda/urbanpolicy_agenda/

    I don't think a little thing like the constitution and civil liberties are going to get in the way. I just want to know how they are going to make guns "child proof" didn't they try that with medicine bottle already?
     
  15. Titan6

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    But enough about that. I would say legally she can not serve for two years. But that won't stop them.
     
  16. Thin Black Line

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    It didn't with Habeas Corpus.

    That's why I don't trust these people --none of these people-- with maintaining
    the 2A or following much else in the BoR or the Constitution. They'll just
    concoct a reason to suspend whatever parts they don't agree with and
    just do whatever they want anyway.

    I understand there are still some people out there who would follow things
    to the letter, but unfortunately I don't see any of them in a position of
    power.

    Except for Art, but that's just a position of power on THR. But, wait a
    second...Art for POTUS!

    Art, can I be Secretary of Agriculture? I will work for popcorn or peanuts.
     
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    Look, I don't like the waste of oxygen Clinton either, but why do people persist in trying to make ups spurious BS based on the inability to read plain English.......

    Article 1 Section 6 means just what it says

    No double dipping
    No creating a new secondary position and appointing yourself to it as well
    If you are a Congressman or Senator you can't be in an appointed/Cabinent role as well
    You want to be Secretary of State for Pork you quit your other jobs

    What's so hard to understand ?
     
  18. Titan6

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    Well alright but I want dibs on Homeland Security. I will work for Class III weapons.
     
  19. yeti

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    If they didn't create the office, or raise the salary of the office holder, during her elected term, she can resign her Senate seat and legally become Secretary of State.
     
  20. Dodgeit

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    Hillary is ineligable to hold the office because she voted for a salary increase for that position. The problem is who will bring suit to stop it?
     
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    Actually, it looks like the Sec. State's salary increase was done by Executive order, not a Senate vote, but A1S6 just says if it is increased, not how, so I guess Hilary has a little trouble coming. Don't worry, a way around the Constitution will be found.
     
  22. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    This seems like a fairly large leap of logic. Not everything is about you and your guns.
     
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  23. SundownRider

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    When was this about me? I was asking about a possible way for the incoming administration to achieve by treaty that which they can't otherwise. The last AWB got the Dems their rear ends handed to them in the next election.
    And this forum is about guns.
     
  24. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    You are the one who put forth the ridiculous assertion that making the ambassador to the UN a cabinet level position was somehow an end run to get our guns. You might find this shocking, but not everything Obama does is about getting your guns.
     
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    Titan6 said:

    Personally, I like Obama's idea of redistribution. I think we should bail-out the military, then redistribute all of the ammo, the clothes, the food rations <<strike that>>. Well, you get the point. Vote me!! :D

    Doc2005
     
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