Ridiculous Gun laws ? California

[tahoe2]

I just happen to be on Ruger website today and noticed a couple of Redhawk revolvers are illegal to own in California.
This makes absolutely no sense in any stretch of the word "common sense".
I'm so glad I moved out over 20 years ago, now I need to get my Son and his family out of there!!

A couple models that I found to be illegal;

Redhawk w/4" barrel in 41 Magnum
Redhawk w/5.5" barrel in 44 Magnum

it's not about power level, because they allow some 454 Casull and 480 Ruger chambered revolvers.
This makes no sense, at all. I knew it was bad down there, but that's Ridiculous !!

I know there are more Stupid Gun Laws, let's hear em ??

 

[ilbob]

probably has to do with testing to make sure it is "safe".

ruger may not feel it will sell enough of them in CA to make it worthwhile to do the testing.

OOPS-bad assumption on my part. The FAQ there says CA law requires a revised or new pistol has to pass their current safety law that includes microstamping and no one has figured out how to do that yet. So, anytime they change a pistol, they can no longer sell it in CA.

 

[Zeke/PA]

I just happen to be on Ruger website today and noticed a couple of Redhawk revolvers are illegal to own in California.
This makes absolutely no sense in any stretch of the word "common sense".
I'm so glad I moved out over 20 years ago, now I need to get my Son and his family out of there!!

A couple models that I found to be illegal;

Redhawk w/4" barrel in 41 Magnum
Redhawk w/5.5" barrel in 44 Magnum

it's not about power level, because they allow some 454 Casull and 480 Ruger chambered revolvers.
This makes no sense, at all. I knew it was bad down there, but that's Ridiculous !!

I know there are more Stupid Gun Laws, let's hear em ??

In this neck of the woods especially in Philadelphia and in Wilmington DE. they are ALL stupid as they don't even come close to being enforced!

 

[Bad Ninja]

Its total idiocracy here in California.

In CA, you can carry a 14inch Bowie knife, but get arrested for carrying a throwing star.


Im stuck here for a few more years(work, contracts and such) then Im going back to Georgia.
Its insanity here in CA.
The state govt is totally openly corrupt.

 

[ccoyle]

California is really two different states. One is comprised of the liberal masses, clustered mostly in the large coastal cities; the other is the 2/3 of the state (by area) that has only 1/3 of the population -- I call it "the Other California". Unfortunately for the mostly rural, conservative Other California, the liberals have a veto-proof supermajority in both houses of the legislature. That's how the rural minority winds up at the mercy of whatever utopian schemes Sacramento cooks up (at the cost of ballooning public debts, lost freedom, lost jobs, and lost prestige). Sad but true.

 

[Librarian]

Microstamping applies only to semi-autos.

The Roster testing does require several non-returnable copies of each model, plus $200 fee every year per model on the Roster.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Microstamping applies only to semi-autos.

The Roster testing does require several non-returnable copies of each model, plus $200 fee every year per model on the Roster.

Has any gun been added since they started the roster?

 

[tark]

Years ago when California started their stupid law about only approved guns (that they test) can be sold (If THEY thought they were safe) the deal was this: You send us a new guns and we will trash them and then not give it back!! We'll just keep it for our files! Did I mention their was a hefty fee that had to be submitted with the gun? Actually, guns. I think you had to send more than a single copy of each model

I was still working for Les at the time and he decided to only send a few models for testing, not the entire line. And the law was so ridiculous, a Premier II with a Bo-Mar rear site was considered to be a different model than the exact same gun with a Novack rear sight. A gun with night sights was considered different than the same gun without them. I'm sure that was done on purpose. I don't think they ever fired the guns, most of their tests involved drop testing from various heights onto various surfaces. They were after unintentional discharges.

So Les sent them some of the worst cobbled together out of reject parts pieces of you know what that you ever saw But they were new reject parts! And the guns LOOKED good. They were approved and we never saw them again. Les made sure that any part that might contribute to an UD was up to spec, but the rest of the gun was junk.

My point being, the large manufactures, like Ruger have a LOT of models, with a lot of minute variations, all of which would have to be submitted separately. I'm pretty sure they just selected a number of representative guns covering a spectrum of needs, and the hell with the rest.

Can't say as I blame them. Hope they submitted junk

 

[9mmepiphany]

I just happen to be on Ruger website today and noticed a couple of Redhawk revolvers are illegal to own in California

I think you misunderstood. The only revolvers that are illegal to own in CA are ones with threaded barrels.

They may not be Certified for sale in the state, but they aren't illegal to posses. If there is a model that you'd like your son to have, you can buy it and gift it to him. It doesn't have to be on the Approved list, he just has to find an FFL who is familiar with Intrafamilial transfers to handle transferring it between states

Has any gun been added since they started the roster?

Many. I think the latest one added was the Ruger GP-100 in .44Spl...it was just added a couple of months ago...about the same time as the 9mm LCR

 

[tahoe2]

Ok , so I worded it incorrectly; approved for CA = No (not illegal) you just can't buy it there.
Still, it makes no sense, they should just secede from the Union like they threatened to.

 

[9mmepiphany]

Ok , so I worded it incorrectly; approved for CA = No (not illegal) you just can't buy it there.

Well...you can't buy it from an FFL. You can buy it from another resident.

The Safe Gun Roster is one of the state laws that is being challenged in the courts. It isn't at the top of the list...I believe "Shall Issue" CCW holds that spot

 

[P5 Guy]

New Jersey outlawed sling shots decades ago and does NOT recognize antique status for flintlock firearms.

 

[Jason_W]

If it's not overturned in court, the best way to get rid of the roster is to go after the law enforcement carve outs and do it in a way that appeals to the warm fuzzy progressivism of the residents of the cities here.

California might be the one place where the best way to fight gun control, is to propose more gun control.

 

[Bad Ninja]

If it's not overturned in court, the best way to get rid of the roster is to go after the law enforcement carve outs and do it in a way that appeals to the warm fuzzy progressivism of the residents of the cities here.

California might be the one place where the best way to fight gun control, is to propose more gun control.

LEO are exempt from most of CAs draconian laws.

 

[Jason_W]

LEO are exempt from most of CAs draconian laws.

Yup.

And I see a way to turn the tables on the state via the microstamping requirement:

Microstamping is all about accountability, is it not? And in this time where police shootings make news on a regular basis, isn't accountability important in order to reduce the liability of the state? Isn't it a good thing to know which officers fired which rounds in the unfortunate occurrence of an officer involved shooting? That's I'm proposing a new ballot initiative, Proposition 6,000, to require all law enforcement duty weapons in the state of California to be microstamped by 2020.

The kale eating, latte drinking, fart sniffers in the Bay area will eat that up with a fork and spoon.

Also, in California, the idea of there being 6,000 ballot initiatives is barely hyperbole.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Yup.

And I see a way to turn the tables on the state via the microstamping requirement:

Microstamping is all about accountability, is it not? And in this time where police shootings make news on a regular basis, isn't accountability important in order to reduce the liability of the state? Isn't it a good thing to know which officers fired which rounds in the unfortunate occurrence of an officer involved shooting? That's I'm proposing a new ballot initiative, Proposition 6,000, to require all law enforcement duty weapons in the state of California to be microstamped by 2020.

The kale eating, latte drinking, fart sniffers in the Bay area will eat that up with a fork and spoon.

Also, in California, the idea of there being 6,000 ballot initiatives is barely hyperbole.

It would cause quite the uproar.
However it wouldnt matter.

Even if all of CA voted for it, the empire would overrule it.

They care not what the voters want.
They do their own thing.
Just look at the recent gas tax.
People voted no.
Govt ignored them.
Tax on.
Criminals in charge.

 

[Jason_W]

It would cause quite the uproar.
However it wouldnt matter.

Even if all of CA voted for it, the empire would overrule it.

They care not what the voters want.
They do their own thing.
Just look at the recent gas tax.
People voted no.
Govt ignored them.
Tax on.
Criminals in charge.

Possibly. But making a stink and being a thorn in their side might at least be a little fun.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Possibly. But making a stink and being a thorn in their side might at least be a little fun.

Honestly it always is.


But realistically, too little too late.
This place is done, unless there is a major regime change.
They dont even bother to hide the corruption anymore.


Once my contracts are fulfilled....

 

[Sunray]

You're trying to apply logic where none exists. Firearms laws are about controlling the populace(gang bangers in LA) and nothing else.
Anyway, our bunch of socialist idiots decided .25 and .32 calibre handguns are evil(along with anything with a 4" or under barrel). Favourite of the criminals they imported, they said. Then the Canadian Olympic Committee said, "Um, we use .32 calibre pistols." And our bunch of socialist idiots said, "Ok, but only the pistols on our list." Wiped out an entire class of handgun with one law.
At the same time, they declared blow guns, shuriken and morning stars illegal. We figured there were too many Medieval, Pygmy, ninjas robbing variety stores.

 

[Bad Ninja]

You're trying to apply logic where none exists. Firearms laws are about controlling the populace(gang bangers in LA) and nothing else.
Anyway, our bunch of socialist idiots decided .25 and .32 calibre handguns are evil(along with anything with a 4" or under barrel). Favourite of the criminals they imported, they said. Then the Canadian Olympic Committee said, "Um, we use .32 calibre pistols." And our bunch of socialist idiots said, "Ok, but only the pistols on our list." Wiped out an entire class of handgun with one law.
At the same time, they declared blow guns, shuriken and morning stars illegal. We figured there were too many Medieval, Pygmy, ninjas robbing variety stores.

Yes, its about control.
They want to keep their criminal empire intact.
(Yes, after a decade of working here I am thorougly disgusted with the state government. All of it.)

 

[harrygunner]

Last year, over 95% of California gun owners didn't make the effort to sign a ballot initiative. The "Gunmageddon" batch of absurd laws went into effect without even that small show of resistance.

In round numbers, the initiative needed 1% of the state to sign. Gun owners are supposed to be about 20% of residents. They should have been able to meet the signature requirements twenty times over.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Last year, over 95% of California gun owners didn't make the effort to sign a ballot initiative. The "Gunmageddon" batch of absurd laws went into effect without even that small show of resistance.

In round numbers, the initiative needed 1% of the state to sign. Gun owners are supposed to be about 20% of residents. They should have been able to meet the signature requirements twenty times over.

Everyone citizen I know voted against it.
This election cycle inspired me to take no more CA contracts and prepare to leave the state.
No checks and balances.

 

[Darkhorse]

LEO are exempt from most of CAs draconian laws.

Yes - and so are the lawmakers!