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Rifle caliber for self defense

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Firepower!, Feb 14, 2008.

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  1. Firepower!

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    Which rifle caliber would you chose for self defrense, and why? Also I will be interested in knowing you choice of rifle?
     
  2. rcmodel

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    .223 AR-15 Carbine, M-Forgery, Mini-14, or any other very reliable .223 carbine.

    Proven performance in CQB.
    Widely used, and most used SWAT rifle.
    Widely available ammo choices suitable for SD.
    Long range pin-point accuracy if the situation warrents it.
    Anything bigger / more powerful will have excessive penetration for SD use inside a home (unless you use very good judgment in selecting fragmenting ammo)

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  3. MudPuppy

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    What's the scenerio? Home defense, ranch, Mad Max? You humping it for miles or shootin' from the lazy boy?

    Just off the cuff, I like the 7.62x39 because it's got the mass to thump, the taper could help the extraction reliability, I like the platforms available to the round, it's not too expensive.
     
  4. TimboKhan

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    I choose .223, and I shoot an AR. As to the why, it basically boils down to familiarity with the platform. An AR is about the easiest gun in the world to handle and is easy to tailor to specific desires
     
  5. brian923

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    i would say a shotgun, or a 45 acp, as the best HD defence round. of course a handgun would be best, because its not so big. really, anything that you have can be used as a home defense round. some might be better than others, but when it comes down to it, its better than anything else.

    if you use the search, and type in home defnce, youll get a lot of responsis to read through.
     
  6. jimbob86

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    A rifle is an OFFENSIVE weapon. Unless you plan on defending yourself from an organized enemy, by taking the fight to them, a Shotty is more appropriate. IMHO, of course.
     
  7. Soybomb

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    5.56 or 6.8 in an ar15 seems pretty nice to me. You have limitless options with the parts you can set it up with. If you already have a rifle that you're skilled with that would be the best option.
     
  8. R127

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    I would not say a rifle is an offensive weapon. Actually I object to the notion of any weapon being inherently offensive or defensive because that is just a matter of how it is employed by its user. The British took to calling all things that were weapons and most things that weren't "offensive" and look where it got them. I know you're talking about tactics though so that's what I'll stick to.

    A semi auto rifle is probably exactly what you need if you ever have to protect yourself from a gang. Capacity, accuracy, power and range are all big advantages against multiple enemies in a dynamic environment. And no, a gang won't necessarily break and run when you rack a round into the chamber of your shottie. They won't necessarily run away after the first guy gets shot either. They are short on good sense and high on desire for violence. Increasingly they are also getting military training as this Iraq war drags on and recruitment standards are lowered while simultaneously our borders are being left undefended and militarized foreign gangs work their way into the US. You just can't rely on them not taking cover or working as a team anymore if you ever could. None of this may even be something you'd ever consider where you live but if there are gangs in your area and natural disasters do periodically interupt the civil order then it is something you will want to think about. I live in hurricane country and I've faced down looters before as have some friends of mine. Heck, just think about NOLA or the LA riots for some extreme examples of things that really can and do happen.

    Shotguns are the undisputed kings of one shot stops and have a place inside buildings for sure. They do have their limitations though. A shotgun can not effectively engage an enemy at the end of my driveway for instance even with slugs. Your driveway may or may not be a lot shorter than mine. A rifle allows me to tactically control my entire property. On the other hand the limited danger of overpenetration with a shotgun is an advantage in other situations.
     
  9. Cosmoline

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    My rule is to use the biggest, meanest weapon at my disposal if facing imminent deadly harm. If I have the 54R Mosin at hand, I will use it over any handgun. My first order of priority is to win the gunfight and survive. All other considerations are secondary or tertiary.

    Courtesy of brass fetcher, a 54R Softpoint. That's a full deposit of 2,500 ft. lbs. and all kinds of hurt:

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    I agree with part of it, win. I could use my .458 Win Mag, but hate to think of where the bullet may wind up. I stick to a Marlin Lever action shotgun loaded with 000 Buckshot, + a 45acp in the nightstand. My feelings are that the large rifle looking shootgun is far more intimidating than the handgun, and safer in an urban environment than any of my far more powerful rifles.
     
  11. Cosmoline

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    Marlin shotgun... you mean their .410 levergun? That's for plinking rabbits and grouse. Even with buckshot it's the equivalent of shooting some low velocity roundball at an intruder. It might work, but it's not exactly plan A for most people. Use the .458 loaded with a reduced power lion killing softpoint, not the full power buff or elephant loads. Those expand fast and deliver enormous damage within torso depth of a modern human male.

    A lot of people assume any rifle will penetrate fifty houses and such. It's not true at all. Indeed heavy, FMJ or solid handgun rounds can easily outpenetrate an expanding rifle round.
     
  12. Snapping Twig

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    SD in home to me means a 1911 in .45acp, that said, my rifle of choice is a Mini 30 in 7.62x39 with 150g SP.

    Anything is better than nothing and many say a 12ga is good.
     
  13. Cmdr. Gravez0r

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    7.62x54r. Anything less and you'll be wasting your time. :evil:
     
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    If I was going for a rifle: 5.56 / .223 Softpoints from an AR of the 14.5 - 16" flavor.
     
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    .223 Remington, specifically 55-grain jacketed hollowpoints (my personal preference). Favorite platforms would be .223 civilian AK (e.g., WASR-3 or SAR-3), or an AR-15 with 16" barrel and adjustable stock.
     
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    If I had to pick a rifle for self defense (not offense) I would go with either a 357 or a 44 mag lever.
     
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    Most pesudo operators agree that nothing beats the 6.5x53.5mm Daudeteau for most any tacticool situation
     
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    Winner- General Geoff:evil:
     
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    You asked for rifle as a defensive weapon. You didn't say rifle or shotgun, which is superior as a close-range defensive weapon. However, for ranges exceeding that of a shotgun, I use a Belgian FN-49 semi-automatic. It holds 10 rounds of 8mm, which is a very hard-hitting round, and relatively inexpensive as surplus. Generally speaking, the semi-automatic is superior to the 8mm Mauser bolt action rifle, which in turn may be superior when equipped with a scope for even longer ranges than the semi-auto battle rifle. But now you're no longer talking "defensive"...
     
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    Depends on the range. Greater than 200 yards, I generally would want a scoped .308 (or similar round). Less than 200 yards, I generally would want a .223 (or similar round).
     
  22. M2 Carbine

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    Depends on what kind of self defense.

    For an all around defense rifle around my place I favor this Bushmaster in .223.

    Good for night or day, inside or outside, close up to a hundred yards or so.

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    I keep a Hi-Point carbine loaded with Winchester 115gr silvertip HPs...Sure, I have a AK, and a 54R, as well as a 12ga, but heck, I'm gonna be using it at a max range of 20 feet! The HP is short, even shorter than a 18" shotgun with a real butstock, so it's fast-handling, even in confined spaces, it's minute-of-bad guy's face accurate, and goes boom every time, without fail, as well as sharing ammo with my carry pistol. If I'm shooting 100 yards, it's not simple home defense, it's battle, and then I would grab the AK.
     
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    mini-30 with ten rounds of Magsafe. if that isn't enough i'm goin for the 270.
     
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    .30 Carbine, but only because I am a carbine nut.
     
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