Rifle enthusiasts, this one's for you.

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OK I'll Play and suggest an impossirifle or three as well that I would like.

I would like to see a small scale M98 Action that is scaled down to .223/5.56mm turned into a near copy of the M1903A3 (thus illiminating the magazine cut off and two piece firing pin) (Hmm did I just describe a shrunken Mexican M1954?) . Give it a C type stock scaled down for use by 6 to 11 year olds and a sporting stye composite stock that can have spacers added to lengthen pull as the kid grows.

Alternatively just copy that Mauser type little rifle the Chinese breifly imported in 7.62x39. Same-same on stocks.

I would also like to see someone rebarrel a plain old SKS or AK type rifle with a stiffer barrel in that old Bench rest caliber 6mm PPC just to see what it does. Might have to stay with the lighter bullets to make OAL but who would not like to freak people out with a sub minute of angel (reliably) capable Volksgewar? Tried to get someone to do this back around 1995 that was playing with improving SKS accuracy (reported that a tension type barrel stiffiner even from gas block to front sight seemed to improve accuracy BTW) ALso suggested that that or a 6.5 or 7mm version might prove a very usefull "new' Round for an assault rifle. It did occur to me that a 7mm model would be basically the same as the original cartridge for the EM2 in Britians early test before the swich to the American .30-06 base cartridge.

Say, there's another if I had all the money and time in the world project, scale down an FNFAL to the second of the series in 7mm (very first FAL prototypes were 7.92 Kurz), but use our easily available M43 cases to make an M43 based 7mm round. Then anyone wanting to have the "if only we had listened to the Brits on 7mm and adopted the FNFAL" wail, then they could just buy one and prove to all their M-1A and AR buddies how stupid the US was. Shoot we could maybe get a law through congress to the effect that two cases of doing such on a public internet forum would require them under threat of sever penalties to purchase one or prove they already have! Think of the sales!!!!

-Bob Hollingsworth
 
I'm very much of the same opinion as Evil Monkey. A magazine-fed semi-auto rifle in 7.62x39 or 5.56x45, with a reliable piston system, picattiny rails either attached directly to the receiver or securely mounted above the barrel, decent peep sights like the FAL or Garand, good ergonomics, solid ring attachments from which to hang a sling securely, and a quality trigger with a short, crisp break. The ability to use existing mags (like Bulgarian waffle of AR15 mags) would be nice. Stock 2-4 MOA accuracy with quality ammo would be nice. The ability to maintain the same accuracy as the barrel is heated from cold to hot would be nice too. Some rifles are better at this than others.
 
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Hmmm -- for hunting, I'd like to see a really light weight (6 lbs) rifle in 7mm 08 Remington. It ought to be a clone of the classic Model 70 Winchester, and I'd like it with a walnut stock, checkered with a schanable tip. And I'd like a butt trap for cleaining gear.
 
I'll lean on the lever action 30-30. Nothing has proven it's equal

Now that's a fan of 30-30. Equal in what? 7x57 worldwide has killed far more game. 303 British is up there as well. 30-06 has already been mentioned.
 
I'd love to see a modern semi auto rifle not based off the dragunov in 7.62x54r





Oh and I whonder if an ar in 30.06 is possible? I'd buy that in a hear beat if they were out there.
 
my new favorite rifle is the remington xr-100 single shot rifle .. i saw it in a rem catalog a couple of mos ago and last week i held one at sheel's in coralville.. what a great rifle! it has a laminated thumbhole stock with vents under the barrel,the xp-100 action and a heavy target barrel/varmint barrel chambered for .223 or .22-250... this one was fitted with a bore sighted leupold scope and it felt just right to shoulder..i want one! i wish i could afford the price on it:(..
 
emulate Roy Weatherby. . . . .

a) pick a family of cartridges. my choice would be those based on the .308 Winchester : .243 Win. , 7mm-08 , .308 Win. and .338 Federal. b) that leads you to a modern short action for bolt action rifles from the deer woods to the S.W.A.T. teams. c) establish your reputation on three things: accuracy, reliability and customer service. I believe it was Charles Askins who said, " Only accurate rifles are interesting.". d) partner with ammo makers and scope makers to develop specific packages for specific applications that are simply the best available.
 
Now that's a fan of 30-30. Equal in what? 7x57 worldwide has killed far more game. 303 British is up there as well. 30-06 has already been mentioned.
All great cartridges -- but on horseback, there's nothing like having a Model 94, its scabbard hanging from the gullet of the saddle.
 
re-invent the wheel

bolt actions seem the norm in an accuracy format. they are also nearly as reliable as a hammer. for some, they are even nearly as fast as a semi/fully, if hitting a distant target rates high in one's plans.

levers/pumps are less accurate. they are slightly less reliable than a hammer. for some, they are even nearly as fast as a semi/fully, if hitting a closer target rates high in one's plans.

semis/fullys can exhibit good accuracy traits, but usually at the cost of extended use reliability. some examples have made a hammer seem a viable alternative, at ranges too close for clearing jams. they are THE fastest shooting rifles made, and will shoot nearly as accurately as a bolt if tightly fitted, and semi-selectable.

double and single shot rifles are a niche market. the DO have distinct advantages over other systems, in their own element.
however regulating doubles to hit where one aims them gets dollar intensive. they don't sell very well in today's market.


so why re-invent the wheel? rather than trying to find a place in the GLUTTED american marketplace that has been unaddressed, perhaps improving the existing offerings would be more likely to flourish. with the exception of roller block actions, the non stop flow of "improvements" to rifle basics for the last century, have to my knowledge, failed. it could even be argued that with the nose dive in firearms mfgrs quality standards, rifle offerings have advanced to the rear as much as forward.

unless ed mcmahon's merry band of disbursers have come calling of late, your chances of having the financial resources to start rifle making are slim, except on a custom basis. and even that rareley rises to a level of quitting one's day job. on the other hand aftermarket items seem to get almost as much market share as OEM rifle mfgrs.

if your bank account allows, my suggestion to you would be to buy a cold hammer forging barrel rifling machine from whoever made the one steyr uses. buy the machinery needed to chrome line the bore. have progressive rifling blanks machined in 50BMG, 7.62, and 5.56. sell these to the army.

elmer keith's idea of progressive rifling was NOT a crack pot scheme from the porcelein think tank. the army even tested it out and got results of:

1- increased velocity
2- reduced pressure
3- extended rifling life
4- prohibitive fabrication costs

the hammer forging method has eliminated #4...

here is a void needing filled?
 
One thing I would like to see on more sporting rifles are adjustable stocks. Good ones that don't rattle and give a stable platform for accurate shooting.
 
re-invent the wheel

bolt actions seem the norm in an accuracy format. they are also nearly as reliable as a hammer. for some, they are even nearly as fast as a semi/fully, if hitting a distant target rates high in one's plans.

levers/pumps are less accurate. they are slightly less reliable than a hammer. for some, they are even nearly as fast as a semi/fully, if hitting a closer target rates high in one's plans.

semis/fullys can exhibit good accuracy traits, but usually at the cost of, [at best], extended use reliability. the inverse therom applies here, less accuracy=more reliability. some examples have made a hammer seem a viable alternative, at ranges too close for clearing jams. they are THE fastest shooting rifles made, right up to the point the barrel starts to droop. they will shoot nearly as accurately as a bolt if tightly fitted, and semi-selectable.

double and single shot rifles are a niche market. they DO have distinct advantages over other systems, in their own element. however regulating doubles to hit where one aims them gets dollar intensive. they don't sell very well in today's market.

so why re-invent the wheel? rather than trying to find a place in the GLUTTED american marketplace that has been unaddressed, perhaps improving the existing offerings would be more likely to flourish. with the exception of roller block actions and the availability of newer materials, the non stop flow of "improvements" to rifle basics for the last century, have to my knowledge, failed. it could even be argued that with the nose dive in firearms mfgr's quality standards, rifle offerings have advanced to the rear as much as forward.

unless ed mcmahon's merry band of disbursers have come calling of late, your chances of having the financial resources to start rifle making are slim, except on a custom basis. and even that seldom rises to a level of quitting one's day job. on the other hand aftermarket items seem to get almost as much market share as OEM rifle mfgrs.

if your bank account allows, my suggestion to you would be to buy a cold hammer forging barrel rifling machine from whoever made the one steyr uses. buy the machinery needed to chrome line the bore. have progressive rifling blanks machined in 50BMG, 7.62, and 5.56. sell these to the military.

elmer keith's idea of progressive rifling was NOT a crack pot scheme from the porcelein think tank. the army even tested it out and got results of:

1- increased velocity
2- reduced pressure
3- extended rifling life
4- prohibitive fabrication costs

the hammer forging method has eliminated #4...

here is a void needing filled?

gunnie
 
thank you very much gunnie, that was great help.

I plan to start another business that I and a friend are both very skilled at. Let that get going well enough to sell it for enough money to fund my future projects. I'm about to take up a job as an apprentice gunsmith, so I'll get some really good experience as well as learn exactly what I don't have for making what I want to make.

nevertheless, an infinite amount of "my rifle is almost perfect, here's why it aint" comments isn't nearly enough and are my main focus. I want to introduce something not necessarily different, but more in-line with todays technology whereas 50 years ago computers were huge.. firearms today seem more like redneck mechanics that had a great idea, but that idea aint quite complete... Firearms today are built on observation. Things could be done much better, and I know how they can be done. Everything else is a matter of customer opinion, because I do want this to give me a high life so I can take care of my wife and kids to the expectations of myself, but also because I love it and I want to introduce something far more effective for any use than what we have today, because it just aint something I'd want to bet my life on.

The AK, my bolt guns, my 870, and my revolvers I'd all be pretty damn close to betting my life on though..
 
My needs:

A magazine fed medium caliber self loader that can be used for home defense, game hunting, and sport shooting like 3 gun match and medium distance shooting. But, in a bullpup design. And light.

I don't want a cabinet full of rifles. I just want one good one that I can use for everything.
 
I'd like to see pump action offered in a number of common calibers. For many applications it is as strong as a bolt and it is faster for repeat shots than a lever. I would include an external hammer for cocking and decocking when there is already a round in the chamber. And it should have a detachable box magazine or a permanent non-tube magazine so it can shoot spitzers.

And while you're at it, make it a takedown.

I have a rifle with most of these properties (no external hammer) and I love it. It is a Savage model of 1903 and mine was built sometime between 1906 and 1921. The design clearly works. See thumbnail.

Bill
 

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Replica firearms would fill a big niche today. I'd sell my soul (had I not lost it in a poker game) for a replica SVT or G43 or FG42, Etc. Also you can easily pick up on the tacticool market with some nice new bullpups (again you can make replicas of the new guns). Finally cheaper guns are good. Casting can be just as strong and sturdy as forging if you know what you're doing, and much cheaper. So give casting a try, and you have yourself the cheapest and some of the sturdiest rifles around.
 
Kalashnikov, there are replica FG-42s. They go for 10K U$. I hope that was some poker game.

I would like to see a sub $100 bolt action in 9mm along the lines of the Spanish destroyer carbine. 9mm is some of the cheapest centerfire ammo right now, and its ballistics are fairly close to .22lr. It would be, therefore, a good rifle for people who don't want something hugely expensive to buy or to operate, but who wants something that can reliably dispatch large vermin two or four legged. Since the action should be dirt cheap to make, as much of the costs as possible should go into accurizing the rifle out of the factory doors. Compatability with common magazines would also be a plus.

the hammer forging method has eliminated #4...


Gunnie, how exactly will you remove the mandrel from the barrel after it's been pounded around? With conventional rifling, it should screw right out. I don't see how this will work with progressive twist.

Cool idea otherwise though.
 
the above, that takes glock mags. sized for the glock 26 mags up.

plus maybe versions in .40 and .357 sig and .45 acp too.

and it could change caliber's by changing barrels/uppers like an ar-15.
 
Kalashnikov, there are replica FG-42s. They go for 10K U$. I hope that was some poker game.

I should have rephrased that. AFFORDABLE replicas. And it was three 3's. I lost to two pair.
 
A nice .22 boltie that is as accurate and classy as the winchester 52, and an affordible m14 clone.
The .260 boltie in an ultralight and walking varmint configuration is good too.
And the SMLE in many scales and calibers would be cool.
Oh yeah and a mini gun in .22 lr.
 
I've always liked the look and feel of the M1 Carbine and I wish there were rifles styled like that, but maybe in 7.62x39 or .223. I like the Mini 14, but again I would have preferred it looking more like an M1 Carbine than an M14. I also like the previous poster's idea of bolt actions that would work with the military type box magazines. It's like the old WW1 trench gun concept. Cool.
 
ooops

attn: PercyShelley

"Gunnie, how exactly will you remove the mandrel from the barrel after it's been pounded around?"

{BLUSH}

uh, well, duh...that could be an ointment in the fly couldn't it?

guess that idea WILL hafta come under the heading of "from the porcelein think tank"!!!

gunnie
 
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