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Is this choke on the left for sabot slugs only or can you use rifled slugs? Also, I see there is another remington rifled choke tube (shorter) Help! What is the differance??
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I have a smooth bore 870 that I will soon be testing at the range with slugs. I'm in the market for a choke for shooting slugs as all I currently own are "full" "x-full" and "real damn full" for turkey loads.

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You need rifling on one thing or the other, not both. The rifled choke tube is for shooting sabot slugs thru it.

An improved Cylinder choke tube can be used with rifled slugs.
 
I have a rifled tube like the one on the right I use for deer hunting with slugs. I do NOT use sabots with them.

KO Brenekke 1 oz Non sabots go into 4" at 100 yards from the bench. Winchester 1 oz HP slugs are almost as good. 1 1/8 oz Rottweil Brenekkes are right behind them.

Sabots works best in barrels rifled full length. The choke tubes work better with the older styles of slugs.

HTH....
 
O.K. I get it about shooting sabots in a rifled barrel. That makes sence.
What about the choke tube on the left, It says "sabot slugs " . Can you only shoot sabot slugs through this tube? This is what doesn't make sence to me. I thought the rifled chokes were for smooth bore barrels and non sabot slugs. Why would you use a rifled choke tube for sabots if they are supposed to be used in rifled barrels?

Could someone please try to explain this to me.:confused:
 
from remington.com :

"Q:Which choke tube should be used with the Sabot Slugs?
A:
The Sabot Slug was designed for the fully rifled barrel or fully rifled choke tube. The Slugger Rifled Slug should be used in a smooth bore barrel with an Improved Cylinder Choke Tube.

Our Rifled and Extended Rifled deer choke tubes can be used in vent rib barrels. You can shoot the newer sabot style slugs through these Rem chokes, however your best accuracy with the sabot style slugs will come with a fully rifled barrel.

We recommend an improved cylinder choke for shooting rifled slugs and a modified for shooting buckshot.
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From winchester.com:
"Question: What slug design should I be using in my shotgun?
Answer: Winchester Ammunition offers two slug designs, the sabot slug or the rifled slug. Sabot slugs are designed to be used in rifled barrels or in smooth barrels with a rifled choke tube. Rifled slugs are designed to be used in smooth barrels. We have found the best accuracy when using rifled slugs in a cylinder or modified choke. We do not suggest shooting rifled slugs through a full choke.
"

In other words; either use an improved cylinder choke tube with a rifled slug, or use a sabot slug with a rifled choke tube/rifled barrel. I've found that 2 3/4" sabots work better out of the rifled tubes, dunno why.

Brenneke KO's are a hybrid that can be used in either style of barrel. If you go to brenneke's webpage, they list which slugs to use in which barrel style. The Brenneke KO was designed to be used in pretty much every safe barrel config (imp cyl, rifled barrel, rifled choke, etc).

Shooting rifled slugs in rifled barrels (and to a degree, rifled choke tubes), can cause leading, plastic buildup in your rifling, and a loss of accuracy with your slugs. Typically the choke tubes die pretty quickly from that, the rifled barrels don't get damaged unless you get a LOT of lead buildup.

Rule of thumb: if you have ANY rifling, use a sabot slug, if the barrel is smooth, use a rifled slug.

If you go to the companies websites, they list recommended yardages for their slugs to be used on game.

Hope this helps.
 
Crystal clear now. Thanks.
I was right behind you, I went to the Brenneke site last night. Found some of my answers there.

Thank you for taking the time to beat it through to a new guy.
 
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Posts: 7,808 I have a rifled tube like the one on the right I use for deer hunting with slugs. I do NOT use sabots with them.

KO Brenekke 1 oz Non sabots go into 4" at 100 yards from the bench. Winchester 1 oz HP slugs are almost as good. 1 1/8 oz Rottweil Brenekkes are right behind them.

Sabots works best in barrels rifled full length. The choke tubes work better with the older styles of slugs.

I found this old thread because I have a Remington 870 SP "turkey gun" that I want to use for pig hunting this spring with rifled slugs.

I had already read on the Remington web site, where they stated "We recommend an improved cylinder choke for shooting rifled slugs and a modified for shooting buckshot."

After being a member of this forum for a few years I chose to listen to Dave McCracken's advice rather than the factories.

I sure am glad that I did, my gun shot three Winchester Foster type slugs into one ragged hole at fifty yards using a rifled choke tube. The best I could get it to print with an improved cylinder choke tube, was six inches.

Mr. McCracken I can't thank you enough for sharing all of your knowledge with us here in this forum. It goes to show that common sense and experience beat out an engineering degree every time.
 
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Out of curiousity, did you experience any plastic or lead buildup in your choke tube? That's the reasoning behind not using rifled slugs in rifled barrels/chokes.

I found this out first hand shooting some winchester rifled slugs thru a rifled barrel.

If you're a typical deer hunter, you probably won't notice it much, if you shoot a lot of slugs, you're apt to see a lot more lead/plastic buildup.
 
Out of curiousity, did you experience any plastic or lead buildup in your choke tube? That's the reasoning behind not using rifled slugs in rifled barrels/chokes.

No I didn't.

From what I've read here, that is prone to occur when shooting a foster type slug out of a rifled barrel.
 
Aw shucks, folks.....

As for buildup, not much after 30 shots or so. Hoppe's, a brass brush and elbow grease....
 
I had leading build up in my barrels/chokes using wincehster SuperX rifled slugs. I just had a customer bring in their slug gun to be cleaned, it took the gunsmith a LOT Of scrubbing to clean out the leading from the rifling.

BTW, the defining characterisitc of a foster style slug is the hollow cavity towards the rear of the slug to help stabilize it's flight path. All rifled slugs today are a variant of that design, whether they use the hollowed cavity or some form of wad to help with stability.

The NRA also says to not shoot rifled slugs in rifled barrels due to leading issues, however, most deer hunters only shoot a few rounds a year once they get their guns sighted in, not enough to get too much leading, however, you need to check it pretty regularly. http://www.nrapublications.org/tah/Slugs.asp
 
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