Riot Defense

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  1. Jeff White

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    That’s why I brought it up, most people only have watched Hollywood portrayals of shooting from a vehicle and have no experience with actually doing it.
     
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  2. Kevin Keith

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    1. Twenty-seven years THP, but I never stayed in the car to use the shotgun. Unlock the rack, grab the shotgun and get out to face the music!

    2. Since I don't have a shotgun rack anymore, it lies across the passenger seat. I could jam it between the passenger seat anf console, too. Either a Mossberg Maverick 88 Security or a Shockwave. Usually the Shockwave since I got it.

    3. No, I'm usually by myself. I didn't have a partner when I was working, either. I like the the warm feeling I get when I see that added firepower riding along. Of course at my age, that could just be me wetting my britches. lol
     
  3. GEM

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    Having a gun on the seat unsecured is not a good idea. The Miami shootout demonstrated that, fast movement and things do flying. If a shotgun was actually chambered, I would worry about a ND as some are not drop safe.

    One officer learned not to use his own car in an exercise. A guy was in the bed and drew and shot the truck. Ouch. Then the guy's wife (an Air Force colonel, BTW, who with him), shot the truck on her run. Now she was an expert shooter, truly high level. We suspected that she shot the truck to give him support for being a doofus. Anyway, the truck owner got two holes. Wonder what his insurance thought of that?
     
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  4. Kevin Keith

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    Probably not, but that's what I do and that was the question, right? I wasn't going to lie about it just to look like I follow the safest practices! BTW, I don't keep it a round in the chamber but the magazine is chock full. That's the same way we carried back in the day. Now, If I have a wreck that's another story. I suppose there are a few ways I could secure a shotgun to the passenger seat. That gives me a project to work on!
     
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  5. Jeff White

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    You could simply buy an electric lock from a police supply house and secure it from theft too.
     
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    why not get a mount?
    https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=270&acctid=6818
     
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    In a whole lotta states, average people who aren't cops will instantly go to jail if caught with a loaded long arm in the vehicle.
     
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    I was stuck in a traffic jam on I-55 north on Friday afternoon here in Missouri. Turns out a family traveling from Tennessee had their car shot up. Story is the car that was shot up "brake checked" a car that was allegedly tailgating. The car that the shots were fired from had 2 women and 2 children in it. An 11 year old boy in the car that got shot up was smart enough to get the license number, leading to an arrest 40 minutes later in north Saint Louis county. The Dad driving the car that was shot took a round to the leg, but is doing well.
    I avoid the city after night fall. This, unfortunately, happened in the middle of the afternoon.
    I don't brake check anyone, I drive a few miles over the speed limit (so I don't anger anyone) and get out of people's way if they are flying up the road.
    Saint Louis is out of control.
     
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    I’m not in the camp of “long gun self defense from a vehicle” because I have shot many a round out of a 79 Chevy truck window. From the time I was old enough to shoot until I moved out of my parents house about twice a year we would load up, at night, and go armadillo hunting, we lost cows (AKA: money) to armadillo holes.

    I would definitely not to be operating a long Gun in defense out of a vehicle window if it was avoidable at all. The biggest problem, IMO, you only have about a 90° range. Someone could easily walk up from behind the vehicle and simply take the gun, assuming theirs a crowd.

    Two of the worst gun related injuries I’ve ever had (weren’t that bad, but the list is short) were a result of extremely awkward positions shooting out of truck windows.

    I want say their are no circumstances where I would defend myself with a long gun out of a vehicle, but I can’t think of any and I’ll tell you if that happened, I would have a couple empty handguns laying around. You have very very limited movement out of a window, trust me.
     
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  10. George P

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    And
    , IIRC, the mayor wants to really defund the police while murder rates are soaring; carry what you need to protect yourself
     
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    Yep.
     
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    We reside in a rural area. Our surroundings are agricultural fields and woodlands. The likelihood of mob violence is extremely low to almost non existent in threat level. Even when we do the weekly shopping we are not in an area that is a high density population center. But we do have alternate regress from there should something out of the ordinary occur. Our life style is one of avoidance which to date has been an acceptable life style.
     
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  13. George P

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    Agree! I was raised in NYC so street smarts versus country smarts was the norm; that said I left when I was 17 for college and have tried to live in smaller towns/cities ever since. My current town is 1800 folks, very quiet, very little crime and then typically minor things like DUI or VOP in a certain ethnic neighborhood. We have left doors unlocked inadvertently sometimes at night without issue. We do have a very protective dog with a bark that is aggressive to someone at the door (UPS or Fedex 90% of the time) so no worries about mob violence. Even at the height of the BLM/statue removal BS, the small march was more like something MLK would have led
     
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    Not much rioting in my corner of Montana. As I as I stay out of DC when Q-Anon is in town I'm pretty safe.:rofl:
     
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    It’s like I have to tell people at work avoiding the situation altogether will be a lot more effective for you than trying to fight your way out.
     
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    It’s like we said in the army best ambush defense is to not get ambushed.
     
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  17. Armored farmer

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    my riot defense is a three pronged tactic...
    AVOID
    AVOID
    AVOID
     
  18. GEM

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    Here's another riot defense article with a lot of tips: https://www.skilledsurvival.com/ready-riots-social-unrest/
    You can read it and if following this thread, probably have a handle on many of them. One thing I might comment on, is that they recommend a certain brand of OC, Fox. While strong, I found it lost pressure in a year's time.
     
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    <nodding> Reminds me of a bit of excellent advice that my Dad provided me as I left home for university in 1970. To paraphrase,

    "If you see demonstration/mob ahead, immediately turn and go the other way."

    Served me well on at least one occasion ... ;)
     
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    As much as the article is about guns it is a politically charged article. I thought politics were not allowed here?
     
  21. Kleanbore

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    It is not about politics.
     
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    The only demonstration (which didn't turn into a riot) I've been at, I couldn't avoid, because we (U of M ROTC) were the subject of the demonstration. We were rappelling off the front of the Armory, and few professional agent provocatuers started a protest with signs that said "Baby Killers!" "Army off campus!" and such-soon it grew enough the Campus PD showed up and told the bad actors in no uncertain terms they did not want to continue with their agenda. The U of M PD had plenty of practice in quelling riots by then, ('81) and the Mpls and St. Paul PD's were more than happy to help them on occasion. My Dad worked several of those riots. He still refers to it as "the good old days."
     
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    Hats off to your dad. I gave my sone and daughter the same advice when the started college. They actually too the advice this acting sensibly.
     
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    The fun part is that new mayor, Tishara Jones, is getting flak from the residents of the "north side" of the city, the area that is predominately poor and black. They are also complaining how they don't even see officers patrolling their streets and how they want more officers, not less.
    She has to make one heck of a decision. :rofl: :evil:
     
  25. Jeff White

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    And the drift into politics closes the thread….
     
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