RMR on EDC

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  1. velocette

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    Been using red dot sights on my target pistols for decades. Starting with the big tube type and now with much smaller tube type.
    Decided to try a Reflex type red dot on my carry Springfield compact 1911.
    It has a Novak cut rear sight so I found a JP RMR adaptor that fits the sight cut. Not Ideal but for trial purposes it will work. Then shopped to find the least expensive RMR which was a Tasco unit. Again, not ideal or the best but will do for testing and learning. Preliminary testing indicates that practice and training is needed to pick up the red dot when drawing from the holster. It does not come naturally. Any suggestions about practice / training?

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    My only suggestion is to just keep practicing your draw until it becomes second nature.
     
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    I put one (vortex) on my 6 inch Glock. I used it a season and took it back off. It's not for me. It worked but I didn't like it. It may end up on something else someday.
     
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    I have read a lot about learning the use of red dot sights. Everything I read said that the only way to learn their use is to practice, practice. And practice some more. While I can see the benefit of using one I cannot conceive myself doing enough practice to become as proficient as I am with the standard sights if my EDC. I have one rule about my EDC: develop the expertise to use it fast and accurately. Because I do not like the idea of relying on batteries and electronics of sights I decided not to try one.
     
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    I’m trying one now. I think it will be a challenge but with my declining eyesight it’s worth a try.
     
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    The lower you can get the reflex, or in other words closer to the bore the better/easier to pick up. You are sabotaging your trial with that mount.
     
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    Mind the lint...
     
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    I have to agree. I prefer slides that are cut for optics over using a dovetail mount that replaces the rear sight.
     
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    12B20 & Breechface, I am seeing what you say in my practice.
     
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    I stuck a $20 ohuhu on my Beretta Neos and am practicing to see if I like it. If I do, I will upgrade it. The Beretta came with a rail and the slide is below so the reflex does not move.
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    I have one on my bull pup also.
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    Eyes not as good as they used to be, so experimenting a little right now.

    So far, neither the .22 or 9mm have killed the inexpensive reflex site. I may eventually throw an upgraded reflex on my AR also and co-witness with the irons assuming I continue to like it.

    I am also still having trouble finding the dot, and am working on just instinctively pointing the pistol instead of looking for the dot.

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    I’m coming to the conclusion that at 51, I’m going to need help for longer shots. I have an RMR on my G19 and G45. They are mostly for range, target, and hopefully competitive shooting when I get healed back up.

    As for EDC, I’m going to give it a try. Thankfully, last two holsters I ordered from JM Custom I got the RDS Cut option on them. And as much as I am in love with my G26, I think I’m going to send off my new G43X for an optic race cut for the RMRcc. Then just practice, practice, and practice some more. At least until the 380 version of the Sig P365 gets here. LOL

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    I am still in the air for a dot on a carry pistol, but am not against it if this instinctive put it in position and the dot will be there practice works out.
    At 62 I am with you, sights are getting harder to keep in focus.
     
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    Google (or go over to Youtube) Modern Samurai Project. Watch some videos by Scott "Jedi" Jedlinski; that could knock months or years off of the time you need to learn how to use a RDS on a pistol.
     
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    Using a red dot really isn't much different than using iron sights. You just need to practice bringing the pistol up to shooting position without chasing the dot. I resisted using red dots on pistols for a long time and finally gave it a try last year. It was easy to make the transition for me.

    And it is no different than adding an optic to a rifle, you want to keep the sight as close to the bore axis as possible. That is why I prefer using slides that are cut for optics over dovetail mounts. The exception for me is my S&W 22A and Kel-Tec CP33 since they have rails the whole length of the top.

    My S&W 22A has a tube type Bushnell TRS 25 on it, all my other pistols have micro reflex sights (mostly from Swampfox Optics)
     
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    Tried for a while, realized I couldn't pick up a 3 moa dot in bright sunlight and decided against it for now.

    I hear Holosun has a Yellow dot now, so I'm keeping my eye on that. I still want to wait for them to get a bit smaller yet.
     
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    The holosun handgun units are only available in red and green. You might have heard of their gold reticle versions...those are only available on the models intended for rifles/carbines.

    I really like the green reticle. It is much easier to pick up than the red

    The Holosun 507K, a smaller version of the 507C, is about as small as you're going to get
     
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    Definitely need to use a lower profile optic like a Vortex, Holosun, Sig, or Trijicon. It really helps with the natural way you point your handgun. It’s like the old see through rifle scope mounts. They worked. But they were very awkward. I’m currently looking for one for my new G40.
     
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    I definitely prefer green over red. Yes the green reticles have shorter battery life but they are easier to see in bright daylight. One thing I have found to help pick up the dot is to also have suppressor height sights on your pistol. Plus you have a backup if your batteries die or the optic fails.

    And I have been happy with the Swampfox brand reflex sights so far. They use the RMR footprint, except for their Sentinel which uses the RMSc footprint.
     
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    I am really liking an Aimpoint ACRO P-1, on a milled Glock 45 slide, that I acquired to use on my Glock 19x. This is a closed-emitter design. Before buying this set-up, I had briefly used an RMR, borrowed from a long gun project, to test the theory, on a MOS slide. The red dot optic allows me to recognize a threat, and stay focused on the threat, while bringing the dot onto the target. (One does not look through the optic, to then “find” the dot.)

    I have yet to fully vet this G19x, with enough live fire, as this is a relatively new pistol, acquired shortly before the panic-demic, which interrupted range sessions, but I do anticipate carrying it, soon. Only unforeseen functioning issues could derail this plan, as my eyes are starting to need the optic. The optic allows me to have more confidence in hitting at distance. (Not all defensive shootings are at bad-breath range; I may need to defend a family member, if we are at a place like a wildlife viewing area, for example.)

    Now, about the EDC part. If “EDC” means my daily concealed-carry gun, well, a blocky Glock slide already seriously tests my ability to truly conceal, and I frequently move through non-permissive environments. A blocky Glock, with an optic, is more of a “bag gun,” to be toted in a pouch or bag, or a camera case, which looks perfectly normal in my usual environments, but will not, necessarily, be an “EDC.” My concealed-under-clothing daily gun is normally a medium-frame, revolving pistol, while a bag gun is a second gun.
     
  20. velocette

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    Well, after trying and practicing, I have come to the conclusion that 50 years of banging away with a 1911 using iron sights is too much to overcome. RMR is off and Tritium rear sight is back on.
    Worth a try but it didn't work for me.
     
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    Thanks for letting us be part of your decision making process
     
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