Road Rage:Federal Agent Killed at Broward County FL,Post Office

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I hesitated before posting this story.But it combines 2 recent THR threads:road rage and the ability to carry at the Post Office.Another thread just appeared saying, "Don't go there".
But ZeSpectre and jrfoxx's comments make me think this should be discussed.
Note a friend saying, "I'm shocked that this guy was able to get the drop on Don".

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/broward/breaking-news/story/629752.html

PEMBROKE PINES
Manhunt on after federal agent is killed by motorist
The search continues for the man who killed a federal agent in front of his daughter at a Pembroke Pines post office.

Posted on Wed, Aug. 06, 2008
BY JENNIFER MOONEY PIEDRA, ANI MARTINEZ AND ADAM H. BEASLEY
[email protected]

An off-duty federal agent was shot in the parking lot of a post office at 160th Avenue and Pines Boulevard. Donald J. Pettit was a retired soldier who survived a long military career, including a terrorist bombing in Bangkok.

Tuesday morning, he lost his life in a traffic dispute.

As his daughter watched from inside the car, the federal agent was shot in the head by an angry motorist in front of a Pembroke Pines post office.

Pettit was 52, married, the father of two children, a man who had spent a lifetime in government and military service -- including a stint protecting former U.S. Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger.

Authorities would not confirm what preceded the shooting, but federal sources close to the investigation said an argument started between Pettit and a motorist while they were driving on Pines Boulevard near the post office.

Both drivers ended up pulling into the parking lot of the South Florida Mail Processing Center on Pines Boulevard and Dykes Road, where they confronted each other, the sources said.

Pettit, a polygrapher with U.S. Customs and Border Protection, was unarmed; his gun was found in his car.

A shot rang out, and Pettit slumped to the pavement. The gunman fled east on Pines Boulevard in a dark gray or green Chrysler 300 -- coincidentally the make of Pettit's car.

The killer, described as six feet tall and in his 50s with a full head of slicked-back, gray hair and ''saggy'' cheeks, was wearing a short-sleeved, plaid green shirt.

Just after noon, roughly 200 federal and local agents, together with local police, gathered in the parking lot of the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol's office on Pines Boulevard, just west of Interstate 75. There, they launched a dragnet to find the gunman.

''We're going to saturate the area,'' said Sgt. Bryan Davis, a Pembroke Pines police spokesman. ``We're going to turn over every rock.''

For hours Tuesday afternoon, a Homeland Security helicopter hovered over Pembroke Pines, and law enforcement officers from local, state and federal agencies were stationed at every major intersection, keeping an eye out for the getaway car.

Several cars matching the description of the suspect's were stopped, but no arrests had been made as of late Tuesday.

''It's a sickening thing,'' Pembroke Pines Deputy Police Chief Mike Segarra said. ''He did have his child in the car at the time of the shooting, which makes this more heinous.'' Police would not divulge the child's age.

Pettit had a decorated government career. He saw the world as the principal staff assistant to Army Secretary John O. Marsh Jr. in the 1980s. He was in charge of all matters related to Marsh's personal security, according to Ray Gall, a Department of the Army spokesman.

''I'm shocked that this guy was able to get the drop on Don,'' said Pettit's longtime friend and business partner, Rene Rodriguez. ``He was a very bright, soft-spoken but tough individual. He didn't have an enemy in the world.''

He also worked a security detail on Weinberger's trip to Thailand in April 1986, Rodriguez said.

During that trip, a nail bomb exploded at the entrance of a hotel where Weinberger was due to speak. The defense secretary, who was scheduled to meet with Thailand's prime minister, would have passed right by it. It killed no one but injured three.

Still, the incident was just one of many dangerous situations Pettit encountered in his life of government work.

Originally from Indiana, Pettit was a chief warrant officer for the Army and worked in its Criminal Investigation Division. He was stationed all over the country, from Fort Myer and Falls Church, Va., to Fort McClellan in Weaver, Ala. Before his retirement from the Army in 1994, he worked as a polygraphic instructor -- a role he took up again with Customs and Border Protection's internal affairs.

He also spent 15 years working for the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and owned a granite countertops business with Rodriguez.

On a personal level, Rodriguez served as best man when Pettit married his wife, Ileana Barreto, in Puerto Rico.

The couple and their daughters lived in a Mediterranean, one-story, cream-colored home in the gated community of Encantada in Pembroke Pines.

Tuesday afternoon, a few relatives and co-workers gathered outside Pettit's home.

''He was a calm guy who never messed with anyone,'' said his brother-in-law, Eduardo Barreto.

When asked how the family was coping with news of Pettit's death, Barreto said, ``It's difficult. They're doing as good as can be expected.''

Agents from Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Florida Highway Patrol, the Secret Service, Postal Service and law enforcement officers from Pembroke Pines, Fort Lauderdale, Davie, Sunrise, Miramar, the Broward Sheriff's Office and Miami-Dade were among those in the search.

But police say they need help from witnesses.

''We have information that witnesses saw something,'' said Segarra. ``They're urged to come forward. We need to catch this guy.''

Anyone with information should call Broward Crime Stoppers at 954-493-8477 or go online at www.browardcrimestoppers.org. Tuesday night, a $175,000 reward was announced for tips leading to the suspect's arrest.

Miami Herald staff writers Jay Weaver, Walter Michot, David Ovalle and Ely Portillo contributed to this report.
 
Very sad story.

The one thing that especially bothers me, in this and so many stories, is that they are using federal law enforcement and making a huge effort only because the victim was a federal LEO. (Note - I realize a killing on postal property falls under federal jurisdiction, but I don't believe they would have called out 200 federal LEO's immediately if the victim had not himself been a federal LEO.) He was off duty and there is no indication his job lead to his being a victim here, so there is no reason his day job as a federal LEO should affect in any way the investigation of who shot him. Obviously they don't normally use this kind of effort when a non-LEO is killed, for equally senseless reasons. There is a definite separate tier that shouldn't exist.
 
Thoughts and Prayers to the officers family. So sad that a driving incident got this out of hand. Most sad that the family is forever without him.
 
Most LEO careers are heavy in familial qualities. One of the reasons it makes it hard to deal with criminal activities in the dept. That being said I agree that all people who are murdered should have the same type of response from LE. But I do understand the large and comprehensive response by the LE community. Same way I would respond to the murder of one of my family.

Jim
 
Who was raging? Where they both raging? Was the fed acting the part and escalating or the other way around as he left his gun in the car?
Article reports details are not being released.
 
This is sad.

But I have to ask - other than to satisfy a sense of the morbid, why do we care to discuss it?
 
But I have to ask - other than to satisfy a sense of the morbid, why do we care to discuss it?
Self defense situation. Common one. In this case, it is especially important to us--although the man was off duty...he had a gun in the car. He was trained to use it, yet he didn't.

The incident is a plausible self-defense scenario for any armed (or unarmed) citizen. Something like this could happen to any one of us. Tomorrow morning.
 
note to self: if engaged in road rage w/ another, do NOT turn into a Post Office parking lot, exit car and leave gun in car when other road raged driver has also entered same parking lot. might choose to stay w/ daughter in protection mode instead. might choose any number of other options.

sad story.
 
Oh, NO! I know Don -- We were CID Agents together back in the day!

Damn, Damn, Damn. He was far too great a guy to go out like that!
 
But I have to ask - other than to satisfy a sense of the morbid, why do we care to discuss it?

There is nothing morbid about my interest in these incidents.

When I was studying to become a private pilot I studied hundreds of aviation accident reports because I wanted to learn what pilots did to get themselves in trouble. After I got my license there came a day that I refused to fly after getting to the airport with my friends but the guy next to me thought it was fine. He went up, I drove home. Because of his bad judgment four people including himself died that day.

Now that I am learning about using firearms in self defense I want to know about situations that went wrong so I can learn and hopefully avoid situations that might expose me to risk without good reason.

I say bring on the bad news and the good news so that we can learn from other peoples successes or mistakes.
 
That is tragic.
The first thing on my mind is the kid.
That kid is going to have some serious issues.

The scumbag that shot him needs a swift and severe punishment.
If the public would simply permit law enforcement to make these idiots pay for what they have done (provided that there is absolutely no question of guilt), and let the images get out to the world, a lot less people would be willing to commit crimes, because there would actually be a price to pay.

As it is now they get a stern talking to and MAY get life in a free climate controlled environment, free gym membership, free food, free cable tv and free laundry service.
All at OUR expense.
 
The incident is a plausible self-defense scenario for any armed (or unarmed) citizen. Something like this could happen to any one of us. Tomorrow morning.
I don't disagree, in principle. It's just that this is kind of 'discussion' seems awfully repetitive - don't get in traffic arguments, don't leave your vehicle looking to engage in a roadside debate, don't bring your fists to a gunfight, and so forth. I guess that I don't see much to learn from this, since there were so many egregious mistakes made as to defy the simplest of common sense.

Given that, it just feels unseemly to be bantering it back and forth.

But that's just me. Y'all carry on if you're so inclined.
 
But I have to ask - other than to satisfy a sense of the morbid, why do we care to discuss it?

I think it is gun related obviously. There are many reasons to discuss this as others have pointed out already.. I like to learn what caused this type of thing, and when more of the story comes out, theorize about what may have prevented this tragedy.
 
The man who police suspect killed a federal customs agent during a bizarre traffic dispute Tuesday was apprehended a day later in a Davie dialysis center after a massive manhunt, authorities said.

Police arrested James Wonder, 65, of Miramar, and charged him in connection with the shooting death of Donald J. Pettit, 52, of Pembroke Pines.

Pettit was gunned down -- shot once in the head -- in the parking lot of a post office at Pines Boulevard and Dykes Road as his 12-year-old daughter watched.

''She cries at night,'' Pettit's widow, Ileana, said Wednesday, sobbing. ``She holds me and says she wants her daddy back.''

Federal sources close to the investigation say the shooting was sparked by a road rage incident that started as Wonder and Pettit were driving on Pines Boulevard.

For some unknown reason, the two cars pulled into the post office parking lot and ended with Pettit laying in a pool of blood beside his car.

Wonder lives in Miramar with his wife of 30 years, Aurora.

Late Wednesday, she declined to speak with a reporter when reached by phone.

Her husband, who carries a concealed weapons permit, has no prior criminal history, according to public records.
http://www.jacksonville.com/apnews/stories/080608/D92D1DR01.shtml
 
rbernie said:
The incident is a plausible self-defense scenario for any armed (or unarmed) citizen. Something like this could happen to any one of us. Tomorrow morning.

I don't disagree, in principle. It's just that this is kind of 'discussion' seems awfully repetitive - don't get in traffic arguments, don't leave your vehicle looking to engage in a roadside debate, don't bring your fists to a gunfight, and so forth. I guess that I don't see much to learn from this, since there were so many egregious mistakes made as to defy the simplest of common sense.

Given that, it just feels unseemly to be bantering it back and forth.
On thing that might be at play for you is forum-subject-weariness. If one is on a forum for years and years and has seen all the posts, all the subjects, participated in hundreds/thousands of threads, well, it can get kinda "repetitive." Kind of a subject burnout...

For you, there may not be much to learn in the instant case. But for others, including newer THR members who haven't seen all that you have seen, in analyzing such an incident there may well be some insights to be gotten, some behaviors to be emulated, some errors to be learned from, some tactics to be refined, some basics to be reminded of...

Knowledge gathering is a continuous process for those interested in excellence and survival.
 
polygrapher with U.S. Customs and Border Protection

Is that really an 1811 position or is it more along the lines of staff support for LE operations such as the FBI lab? A quick check of USAJOBS for "polygraph" didn't come up with any 1811 LE jobs but a lot with the military for security investigations. IMO, federal agent seems to be a stretch in this headline but that certainly does not take away from this being a tragedy for the family and his colleagues.
 
Tragic all around, especially for the daughter.

It appears that the agent turned into the PO and parked hastily, and the perp pulled in behind him and blocked him from behind with his car.

Many lessons here. Among them, road rage incidents must be avoided like the plague by CCW holders and other armed citizens because of the likelihood of escalation. Also, when followed in a car by a potential nut, avoid pulling into a dead-end or blocked exit situation. Keep your options open, park with forward space ahead to roll out immediately. Lastly, if blocked in by a potential nut, if you get out, get out armed and ready.
 
here they go...they'll be working hard to restrict the CCW approvals with this tidbit.
Man...the media is really gearing up the anti 2A angle lately.
 
Do we know if the shooter was a CCW licensee?

It takes two to tango. Road Rage can only escalate into phyisical violence if both parties are sufficiently wond (sp) up. It is kind of like a "Fusion Reaction" of charged particles. Now, I could not be more sorry for the officer and his family. There is a lesson here for all of us.

Believe me, I know about this as I have discharged a handgun during a Road Rage incident. Fortunately, no one was injured. I spent a lot of time reflecting on this whole thing. Sorry, if this comes across as "preachy". I am no Preacher and am definatell not Holy.

The point is this. When we pick up a firearm we maintain a cool, deliberate manner. I now try to do the same thing behind the wheel- remind myself to stay cool, stay calm, stay focused. When a road incident occurs in traffic, I smile, take breath,, say a prayer and remain calm. I have been able to difuse a few incidents that might have gone bad by staying calm and friendly.

Don't react. Ask yourself "what would Jesus do?" I am not particularly religous but I do know a good thing when I see it.
 
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