Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Rock Island vs Rock Island Tactical

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by JBrady555, Dec 23, 2012.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. JBrady555

    JBrady555 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2011
    Messages:
    742
    Location:
    Panama City, FL
    hey guys I've been searching for what the difference is between the Rock Island 9mm and the 9mm Tactical besides 40-60 bucks? I know that the regular is a cast frame, does the tactical have a forged frame? Thanks for any info.
     
  2. rondog

    rondog Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2007
    Messages:
    6,788
    Location:
    Commurado
    I didn't know they offered a Standard 9mm, but I'm not surprised, just haven't seen one. I have a 9mm Tactical, and it has the upgraded hammer, trigger, dual safeties, beavertail, and better sights. It's a helluva deal compared to a Standard 1911 model, considering the minor difference in prices. RIA's are a great value.

    RIA's and other Armscor-made brands are ALL cast frames, not forged. Don't sweat the cast vs. forged frame "controversy", it's not likely you'll EVER shoot a 1911 enough to wear out or break the cast frame. Generally considered a non-issue except with the ultra-anal/ultra-snobbish.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2012
  3. Sam Cade

    Sam Cade Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2005
    Messages:
    5,228
    Location:
    Rural Kentucky, surrounded by Amish
    It is a non issue.

    You know those super nice Caspian frames frequently found on custom raceguns?

    Cast.


    CZ are cast.
    BHPs have been cast for decades.
     
  4. bigfatdave

    bigfatdave Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2008
    Messages:
    5,961
    Location:
    Near Camp Perry
    nicer sights
    nicer trigger
    nicer hammer
    bigger grip safety
    sights are more easily changed out (dovetail slots)

    same frame - and you're unlikely to wear out a modern cast frame. If you do, Armscor will fix it, probably by giving you a nicer new gun tuned up by their excellent 'smith department

    Essentially, you'll be getting a gun that you'll be less likely to want to modify, and if you do modify it, it will be easier to do the sights. (I am always amused at the "custom" guns that have a new safety lever, new trigger/hammer, super-duper grips, a silly magwell ... ... and the stock GI sights sitting on top
     
  5. JBrady555

    JBrady555 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2011
    Messages:
    742
    Location:
    Panama City, FL
    thanks everyone
     
  6. Jed Carter

    Jed Carter Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    Messages:
    1,410
    Location:
    LEXINGTON, KY
    He who hesitates or vasilates, finds the pistol has been bought by someone else. A choice of neither one may be yours if you waited until now to decide. A quick search of three online sales websights shows both pistols are not available, but it may be at a local gunshop. I have 2 - 9mm 1911s and they are amazing shooters.
     
  7. bainter1212

    bainter1212 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2012
    Messages:
    1,175
    The only reason I'm telling you this is because I can't buy one here in CA (not on our "big boy toy" DOJ list). Sarco has the Tactical 9mm in stock. Have fun.
     
  8. JBrady555

    JBrady555 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2011
    Messages:
    742
    Location:
    Panama City, FL
    thanks for the heads up, they have good prices. What is sacros shipping prices like?
     
  9. JBrady555

    JBrady555 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2011
    Messages:
    742
    Location:
    Panama City, FL
    Heres another question. Is the differences in the standard vs the tactical worth the extra money to a relatively new handgun shooter with little experience with the 1911 platform?
     
  10. bigfatdave

    bigfatdave Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2008
    Messages:
    5,961
    Location:
    Near Camp Perry
    the sights alone are worth the money
    not getting hammer bite alone is worth the money (matters on your hands)
     
  11. matrem

    matrem Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2008
    Messages:
    1,611
    Location:
    Central Ohio
    IME: the not getting hammer bite is the biggest advantage for "relatively new handgun shooter"
    The sights alone are also worth the difference.
     
  12. JBrady555

    JBrady555 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2011
    Messages:
    742
    Location:
    Panama City, FL
    thanks for the info
     
  13. viking499

    viking499 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2007
    Messages:
    3,426
    Sarco is good to deal with. Shipping is very reasonable.
     
  14. JBrady555

    JBrady555 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2011
    Messages:
    742
    Location:
    Panama City, FL
    you say that the upgraded sight on the tactical is worth the extra money, and I believe you. But its still not adjustable right? What if the gun doesn't shoot straight, which I've heard in a few threads around the net, happens occasionally with RIA. What do you do then? Fit a adjustable on the gun? I've pretty much made up my mind to get the tactical, I'm just running possible problems now.
     
  15. bigfatdave

    bigfatdave Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2008
    Messages:
    5,961
    Location:
    Near Camp Perry
    it would be MUCH easier to fit an upgraded adjustable rear, and it would work with the larger front (might not with the little bitty GI front)

    a drift adjustment would still be possible, a front sight swap to raise/lower POI would be easier

    most Armscor guns shoot fine out of the box anyway, and you're unlikely to be needing super-fine adjustment as a newer shooter (don't take that as an insult, I just see a lot of new shooters get all worked up about mechanical accuracy when they have not yet mastered the fundamentals of pistol shooting ... hell, I've done it myself a few times, only once was the problem the gun and not me)
     
  16. wally

    wally Member

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2004
    Messages:
    12,358
    Location:
    Houston, Tx
    IMHO worth it for the better sights alone, the other stuff is basically just cosmetic, but unless you are in your 20s the GI sights can be pretty hard to use effectively.
     
  17. JBrady555

    JBrady555 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2011
    Messages:
    742
    Location:
    Panama City, FL
    I didn't quite follow Dave, do you mean it would be much easier to fit a upgraded rear sight on the tactical or the standard?
     
  18. JBrady555

    JBrady555 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2011
    Messages:
    742
    Location:
    Panama City, FL
    I've got about 8 more months of 20's and then no more, lol.
     
  19. bigfatdave

    bigfatdave Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2008
    Messages:
    5,961
    Location:
    Near Camp Perry
    ...to the tactical, which uses a dovetail very close to a Novak cut
     
  20. JBrady555

    JBrady555 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2011
    Messages:
    742
    Location:
    Panama City, FL
    awesome dave thanks. Things are starting to stack up in favor of the tactical for sure.
     
  21. bigfatdave

    bigfatdave Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2008
    Messages:
    5,961
    Location:
    Near Camp Perry
    Here's the deal, with details, in layman's terms:

    Tactical models have front and rear dovetail cuts in the slide, which the sights mount to. Those tactical sights are larger from the factory, and a closer match to more aftermarket sights.

    GI models have a smaller dovetail for the rear sight, and the front sight is staked on, essentially the front sight is on a post that goes in a hole in the slide, then the post is deformed to keep the GI front sight in place.

    You can change sights on a GI gun, but it will require more work. I have a GI 4" slide mounted to an officer frame, Arnel @ RIA mounted night sights to it using the smaller dovetail and the front stake-on point. With basic tools, I (or you) could swap Tactical sights, if needed. It takes more specialized parts&tools for GI sights. Given a choice, get the easier to upgrade setup, having dovetails milledin your GI slide is expensive ... unless you have a mill at your disposal it will be more expensive than getting the Tac model over the GI model is.

    This doesn't mean the GI isn't a good gun, it is just a bit more challenging to shoot well.
     
  22. bigfatdave

    bigfatdave Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2008
    Messages:
    5,961
    Location:
    Near Camp Perry
    didn't see this until I posted the big one above

    you're welcome, and I was right where you are not too long ago as far as 1911s go

    My first 1911 was an Armscor gun (Citadel) and I bought it because I liked it and wanted something like it. At that point I didn't know an officer size from a government size, and actually bought the Citadel compact (about the same as a RIA CS Tac). That little gun was the start of a lot of reading and research, and was also something of a "gateway gun". The Armscor 1911s keep multiplying, I'm at 4 and will probably order #5 after the holidays.

    I will point out that if you want a doublestack 9mm 1911, the TCM pistol is a superb gun in either caliber, and I finished out last fall shooting mine in competition as a 9mm gun. The trade-off is that you end up needing special magazines from Armscor and it is rather wide for carry (oh, and an afterthought, it doesn't take standard grips and the stock plastic grips are sort of minimal)
    But you'd get all the upgrades of the Tactical line and a pretty good capacity increase.

    Unless you want a re-enactment gun for zoot shoots/wild bunch shoots (or unless you're making a "tribute gun" to match an issued sidearm from family history)... get the Tactical or TCM - it has most of the modern upgrades you'll want in the long run.
     
  23. JBrady555

    JBrady555 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2011
    Messages:
    742
    Location:
    Panama City, FL
    thanks, I would have never thought that the sight cut would be different on the two. I just thought they had different sights with the same mount design.
     
  24. viking499

    viking499 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2007
    Messages:
    3,426
    For the price difference, the Tactical is the best buy.
     
  25. Stringfellow

    Stringfellow Member

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2009
    Messages:
    358
    Location:
    the Bay Area
    I had the Tactical, but sold it to buy a GI Colt.

    1) Tactical functioned perfectly, never had a FTF of any kind.
    2) It was actually very accurate and comfortable to shoot.

    but

    3) Its fit and finish were not that great--i.e., it had a lot of rough/sharp spots that really needed dehorning. But unless you are pursuing higher end pistols, that really doesn't matter compared to the important things.

    4) My Colt is GI, and although very happy to have it, I missed the upgrades on the Tactical, and ended up having to pay to retrofit them. The biggest thing is the beavertail--if you have big hands, the beavertail tang is NOT a luxury. There is something to be said for having a factory-blended beavertail vs. the gaps that you invariably get with aftermarket drop ins (unless you are willing to pay $$$ for a gunsmith to blend one).

    Get the Tactical, shoot it, and be happy!
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page