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Rock River AR 15

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by tcrocker, Oct 15, 2008.

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  1. tcrocker

    tcrocker Member

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    Just got off the phone with RR about a AR NM Iordered 4 weeks ago the man told me 4 to 8 week. So I called them I was waiting to hear it would ship in a week or two. They told me it would ship in15 weeks:I under staind being a little behind but 15 weeks on a upper:fire: As you can tell I'm not all that happy about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  2. Eightball

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    It's election season; all the manufactures of "cool stuff" are going to be running behind keeping up with demand. For an upper? Yeah, that sounds nuts, but keep in mind that ARs are the most popular rifles in the US right now, and RRA is a popular manufacturer.

    I hate to be harsh, but this might be one of those "first come, first serve" type things.
     
  3. Picard

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    I ordered one from Del-Ton and had it in my hands in about a week. They actually shipped it next day.
     
  4. gvnwst

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    i just ordered a Spikes tactical .22 upper, it is suppossed to get here in 6-8 weeks, i hope it does. be stocking up on bulk pack till then.....
     
  5. Soke

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    Ugh...this really makes me wish stag sold 1/7's.
     
  6. taliv

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    dude, do not order direct from RR. if you want one, call everyone in their distributor list and find someone with it in stock.
     
  7. ProCarryNAustin

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    So that you know I feel your pain, I'm on week 4 of 8-10 weeks. Given the political climate and current demand, I'm just glad I am in the queue. It will be a long wait, but 10 kinds of Woooohooooo when it gets here. Just spend the time getting your ammo, optics and what-not. My boss is probably expecting me to come down with 24 hour rifle-itis the day it gets here. Its been going around. LOL!

    Daniel
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  8. tcrocker

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    I ordered from a distributor
     
  9. taliv

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    you mean just now? or originally? cause when you say you just got off the phone with RR...
     
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  11. PvtPyle

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    Buy a Stag or DPMS. Or a CMMG or a DSA. All better guns, cheaper and most places have them available.
     
  12. benzy2

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    Any way to back up the "better guns" part?
     
  13. cat9x

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    2 years ago I ordered an upper directly from RR, it took 10 weeks...your pain is understood.

    btw it was worth the wait.
     
  14. turbohardtop

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    I have been waiting 14 weeks. Mine should be showing up in a week or two.
     
  15. tcrocker

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    I orded it 4 weeks ago from a dealer, but RR is going to ship to me so I called them and got that14 weeks.
     
  16. f4t9r

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    Negative !!!!!!!!!!
    Rock River makes a very good product. Others are good also I just would not call them better. Last show in my area had plenty of RRA for sale on the spot. I like RRA,Bushmaster & Stag
     
  17. lionken07

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    RRA makes very good stuff. I waited 3 months for mine, they are very tight fitted guns!! around 1,000 rounds thru mine and works perfectly!


    Every RRA gun is made to order. That's also why they offer so many options on their guns.
     
  18. PvtPyle

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    Well, if you were an armorer and had all those nifty gauges to throw on a RRA, you would see that they take some fine components, mostly from Stag or their parent company, and do a piss poor job of putting them together. I have seen bolt after bolt come thru that was not properly staked, I have worked on everyone of the guns that the DCS has at the prision thru the shop for various reasons....

    RRA does not use milspec buffer tubes instead they use a cheap Chinese knock off. I have had to replace trigger sets because they failed (most shooters dont know how to use a 2 stage trigger and it makes about as much sense on a battle rifle as teats on a steer so it is wasted on the average shooters).

    There are lots of other short cuts they take as well. The lack of a chrome lined bbl is just a cheap way to go. The crap they give about the thicker bbl under the handguards being more accurate is also bunk. The M4 tapper of any of the ones I listed are every bit as accurate. And the ER Shaw bbls of the Stag have shown to be MORE accurate with the right grain weight.

    In short, as an Armorer for an Army SF unit, I would not feel safe carrying a RRA gun into combat and would give my guys AK before I let them do so. Yeah, my professional opinion of them is that bad. And I guess the DEA agrees since they canceled the contract early.

    If you like yours great, you couldn't GIVE me one.
     
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    get a bushmaster
     
  20. ProCarryNAustin

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    Hi PvtPyle.

    Would you mind posting some supporting links for your points above? Other than the staking issue, I cannot seem to find references to the issues you are taking with them.

    Thanks.

    Daniel
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    staking

    Keep seeing mention of staking problems. The only bad staking job I have seen was on a friends original, never fired XM177 he got form his father nlaw.
    Half way through the second mag it went "clink".
    Broke it open and one of the staking screws was gone. And it was a Colt.

    Which proves nothing except any one can make a lemon.

    As for RRA, I am little long in the tooth to hump a ruck so I won't be carrying anything into combat.
    Should things get nasty I'd grab my M1A any way. Pushing 30 years and never had a malfunction. Ever.
     
  22. PvtPyle

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    No, try it youraself. I dont know if there are links, these are from personal experience.

    Try putting a milspec stock on their tube.

    Look at their catalog. Chrome lining is extra when for everyone else it is standard.

    Ask them why their barrel is thicker under the handguard, then ask gunsite what their results from the last Vet carbine class was when they zero'd the guns.

    A friend in the unit told me they were not getting any more RRA guns in the DEA (he is actually an Agent) because the guns were sub standard.

    And finally, you can go and get your own set of gauges and test their guns yourself. They are wacked. They only thing on the gun worth a $#!t is the upper, lower receivers and the bolt itself. They were made by CMT. RRA is a slap together assembly shop, nothing more. And BM is not much better.
     
  23. ProCarryNAustin

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    Milspec stock fits the tube on my lower I received just two months ago.

    Chrome lining as an extra is not that unusual. For better or worse, some folks don't feel the need for chrome lining. I personally could take it or leave it.

    If you have a contact name, I will be happy to give them a call. I don't personally have a contact at Gunsite. I'm sure they wouldn't respond well to a blind call from some guy they don't know. I would also be interested in if the tests were done as part of a controlled exercise and not skewed by the marksmanship of the folks bringing the rifles.

    I would prefer to see an actual announcement from DEA instead of hearsay. I'm sure your friend has the inside line, but things like cancelled contracts are usually easy to find reference to. DEA is a public agency after all.

    I have plenty of friends with an assortment of rifles from RRA. None have any regrets on their purchase, not one. Folks that sell them also seem to be pretty optimistic about them. These same folks post here and on ar15.com and tend to be very vocal about brands they sell and don't like.

    Nothing personal. Yours was the first post I have seen about them being trash. Was hoping to see more support for your arguments.

    Daniel
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    I don't know about the others but I will say one thing. DPMS sucks! Or atleast my experience with it did.

    I own a RRA and owned a DPMS. As of today the DPMS out of many many guns is the only one I have sold because it could not print a group with any loads I tried. It just plain sucked.


    I would also like to add that the chrome lined barrel supposedly is not condusive to excellent accuracy. If someone is buying a barrel for accuracy they may choose either the stainless or a non-chrome barrel. Also,
    Well, I can't argue about how accurate the thicker barrel is to the thinner barrel but I will say that it is proven that thicker barrels take more time to heat up and maintain original POI a lot better than thin barrels that heat up faster. Not only that but they have more surface area to dissipate heat. These two qualities make it more condusive to sustained accuracy during sustained firing. If this were not true then there would not be a market for thick bull barrels. Lastly, just because something isn't mil spec doesn't mean it is no good. The military does many things well, but that does not mean they do everthing perfectly. RRA is a fine rifle. My bolt came staked well so I can't complain about anything in my gun.

    My RRA shoots 20 shot groups all within 1" at 100 yards. That is with the chrome lined barrel that I paid a whole $20 extra for. I did have some malfunctions when I first got it but then I read somewhere that ARs should be oiled liberally. Once I put some oil on it there have been no more problems.
     
  25. lionken07

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    My RRA feels "tighter" than the bushmaster, DPMS..and shoot the same if not better.

    For someone to have that much against RRA is not something that I see often o.o I would really like to see something that backup what you are saying PvtPyle.

    Then again I've never taken my RRA to battle so i do not know how they will handle day after day in the battlefield. Maybe more people that have actually taken their RRA to battle can come in and education us?
     
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