Romney and guns?

[Neverwinter]

"....if it comes down to Romney and Obama in the general election, I hope you will join me in abstaining from the presidential part of the ballot."

You can stand on your principle if you like, but most of the rest of us choose to deal with the real world. I've had this same conversation with an alarming number of people on another forum I spend time on. If enough people boycott the next election ( and I fear it won't take very many), then they will quite likely be a party to very substantive infringements of the 2nd amendment during the following 4 years, infringements that will never be rescinded.

You think that an anti-gun third-party candidate will win the election?

 

[MIL-DOT]

"You think that an anti-gun third-party candidate will win the election?"

No, of course not. I'm talking about folks that either abstain from voting at all, or write-in Ron Paul. Either of these will be wasted statements that will insure a victory by our current Campaigner-In-Chief.
Believe me,I don't like the option (Romney) we're likely to be presented with,either,but I don't think he'll be as bad a president as the one we have now, and I don't think he'll be as actively against the right to keep & bear as Obama will be in his 2nd term.
If he's the Rep nominee, then we all better get on board, or mark my words, two years later you'll be wishing you had.

 

[gathert]

So when are we gong to start voting for Stephen Colbert?

None of the Republican candidates right now I feel good about giving my vote to, least of all Romney. But if we look at history, the runner up in the previous election gets the candidacy the next time around. I'm not exactly sure how I'm going to vote yet, but it won't be a Democrat, and most likely not Romney.

 

[eaglesnester]

Romney and the 2nd Amendment

Make no mistake about it Romney is a phoney Republican. He has an anti-2nd Amendment political background, Romney is a phoney Republican that can be best described as a wolf in sheep's clothing

 

[KodiakBeer]

Romney is a phoney Republican that can be best described as a wolf in sheep's clothing

The way I see it, we'd do better far with Obama than Romney. Obama will be a lame duck at best, with a Republican majority in congress that will oppose him on any initiative he brings up. A Romney with a Republican majority could have real power, and let's face it he's at least as anti-gun as Obama. I wouldn't want to live in a US that resembled Massachusetts and that includes a whole range of issues, not just gun control.

So, if Romney gets the nomination I'd prefer Obama won. I'd rather have four years of gridlock than four years of Massachusetts style laws hitting the books.

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

I think the main problem is the fact that Romney has 0 interest in guns.

But, if he listens to gun rights orgs ONLY, I think he'll be okay. I'm just not counting on any rollbacks of legislation.

That being said, I think he would be orders of magnitude better than Barack "I didn't know anything about Operation Fast & Furious" Obama.

 

[sig220mw]

I would prefer some one other than Romney also. But in a practical world if I stand on principle and don't vote for the GOP nominee then I shoot myself in the foot and keep a leftist anti American anti gun president in office. You can rest assured that if he gets re-elected he will feel very safe about turning his attention towards us in his second and last term. On the other hand if a republican wins and he doesn't have a satisfactory pro gun record we will have to make sure we also elect more pro gun people to congress.

We need to do that in either case.

What scares me the most about Obama is his complete disregard for congress. He is going around them now with the EPA and it's ability to regulate at his say so. He won't stop there if he gets 4 more years.

At least the republicans seem to have more respect for the law and the correct political process.

 

[R.W.Dale]

The way I see it, we'd do better far with Obama than Romney. Obama will be a lame duck at best, with a Republican majority in congress that will oppose him on any initiative he brings up. A Romney with a Republican majority could have real power, and let's face it he's at least as anti-gun as Obama. I wouldn't want to live in a US that resembled Massachusetts and that includes a whole range of issues, not just gun control.

So, if Romney gets the nomination I'd prefer Obama won. I'd rather have four years of gridlock than four years of Massachusetts style laws hitting the books.

I don't need to comment any more.

+10000

I'm not voting for Romney because of the same old "chicken little" speal from yellow dog Republicans. The Obama we have today IS preferable to the Romney we may get in the future

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[weeniewawa]

you don't get to be the Governor of Massachusetts without being anti 2nd

 

[Roverboy]

If the Republicans run Romney I will vote Libertarian! but I vote Libertarian anyway.

 

[Roverboy]

Romney is a Progressive like Obama. He is the Republican counter part of Obama. Nothing would change by his election. It will still be big government, business as usual. Just my thoughts.

 

[hso]

Looks like everyone is of the opinion that Romney is not a 2A supporter and the question now is whether it would be worse to have him as POTUS than President Obama.

That question appears to pivot around the question of whether Romney would trade the 2A as a bargaining point with Congress for legislation he would prefer get passed while President Obama might consider trading neutrality on the 2A to get some support from Congress for legislation he wants (or at least not create a backlash from attacking it).

If Congress has more strong 2A supporters then POTUS essentially only can attack the 2A through Supreme Court appointments. The next Justices to retire will probably be Ginsberg and Bryer. If they retire during the Obama administration we might assume judges who are not 2A supporters could be appointed, but if they were to retire during a Romney administration it has been suggested here that Romney could as easily appoint judges who are not 2A supporters. Would either man find this a bargaining point with Congress? Would Obama appoint justices who might otherwise lean towards his way of thinking on other issues, but be more neutral on the 2A as a way of helping see his philosophy on other issues live on past his administration or would Romney appoint justices who were less supportive of the 2A to get a deal with Congress on other issues.

Not an easy discussion since it is all guessing what goes on privately in each man's head and what they're willing to trade strategically to get what they want in other areas.

 

[majortoo]

It seems that Mr. Obama learned the lesson. If Mr. Gore had been even the least bit supportive of 2nd Amendment issues, he would have been POTUS. Mr. Obama has stayed well clear of the issue, and that position has served him well.

 

[rsilvers]

I took my wife shooting today. First I had her try an AR with a fixed stock. She could not get into a comfortable shooting position. I then had to try one with a SOPMOD adjustable stock. She said it was so much better.

Adjustable stocks let people of different sizes shoot.

I am fuming that Romney/Healey got on TV after the passage of the MA AWB and said how great it was for the state to be rid of guns that are adjustable for smaller people. I can remember seeing it on the news - and I wish a clip of that were on YouTube to post now.

 

[Topkick]

Voting

Gentlemen:

A vote for a 3rd party or a write in, or a failure to vote is an automatic (FOR) obama, my 2cs worth. Think before you act.

 

[zxcvbob]

A vote for a 3rd party or a write in, or a failure to vote is an automatic (FOR) obama, my 2cs worth. Think before you act.

Everybody keeps saying that, so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. I think the DNC and the RNC got together and started that idea to maintain their duopoly.

A de facto vote for Obama (if it's true) might be better than living with yourself after having actually pulled the lever for a d-----bag that that you knew was a d-----bag and turns out to be just as bad or worse than Obama.

 

[Topkick]

Voting

Z-Bob

Well, ya gotta point, BUT, fwiw, there are a few sure things in politics, in this case (1), ya know what ya got (2) ya hafta do a little research (notes kept) and add up the pro's and con's. Thats as close as ya can get, NO guarantees, just do the best ya can. GOOD luck and keep your powder dry.

Topkick

 

[LibShooter]

I suspect Governor Romney's stand on the 2nd Amendment is about the same as The President's: both would favor stricter gun control laws but neither is willing to expend political resources on a doomed attempt to make it happen.

IMHO, on this issue it doesn't matter much who's elected President next year. Obama, Romney, Ron Paul or Sarah Brady... none of them could get any anti- or pro-gun legislation passed. The landmark SCOTUS are decided and won't be overturned.

I feel comfortable making my choice on other issues.

 

[exavid]

Truer words were never spoken Topkick!

 

[wingman]

Romney is a progressive, he will play a conservative in primaries move to center for general election if he wins move left of center and IMO center has moved left for years as is.

Look, the media pretty much selects the candidates,they will always marginalize a true conservative unless the public does it's research and stops listening to media we will always have progressives/socialist in office.

I was naive in thinking this country could withstand any president but we are fragile and breaking apart so I do doubt we can stand four more years of our current administration who seems intent on going around the constitution.

I don't like Romney but if it comes down to him or Obama I will vote Romney sadly again we cannot get a true conservative due to the press so it's the lessor of two evils again.

 

[exavid]

Sad to say it's been 31 years now since I voted for a President without holding my nose and voting for the best of a bad deal.

 

[alsaqr]

When it comes to my Second Amendment rights i won't vote for the lesser of two evils. In 2008 i held my nose, gagged, retched and voted for McCain: Never again. i'll write in Charlie Manson instead.

BTW: i could care less that the staunch Second Amendment candidate is a conservative John Brown type Protestant preacher or a socialist lesbian Wiccan who has had three abortions.

 

[R.W.Dale]

Once again we come full circle a vote for Romney in the primary is three Obama votes in the general.

No wonder the media loves him

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[bigj]

<< 3rd party vote waster. I'm supporting Ron Paul in the primary but I'll likely end up voting 3rd party (Libertarian) after the republicans nominate a weak candidate. Obama will win anyway, I'd put money on it.

 

[hso]

It is beginning to look like we're no longer discussing Romney's 2A position (claims he supports, but difficult for most to believe) and have gotten into a different topic of voting for anybody but Romney.

That warrants a separate discussion and its own thread.