Rossi Circuit Court Judge (merged threads)

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I like it already Except I already have a pistol/rifle combo in .444 marlin/.44 special...
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I'm in a similar boat except my combo is .454 casull/.454 casull. I like .45C for no particularly good reason, but there is nothing this gun could do I can't already do better. Well, except fire .410 shells...I don't own a .410 shotgun.

I think mentioning SD in relation to this sort of thing shows a strange obsession with one aspect of gun ownership. Not everything is about self defense.
 
I think it might be a handy little farm gun. Good for coyotes, coons, foxes or other chicken killers (or two legged thievs) with .45. Good for snakes with .410. You could also dispatch small meat birds or rabbits with the .410. Big question is what the shot pattern would be out of such a long rifled bore? What lethal range for dove would you be looking at?
 
I think it might be a handy little farm gun. Good for coyotes, coons, foxes or other chicken killers (or two legged thievs) with .45. Good for snakes with .410. You could also dispatch small meat birds or rabbits with the .410.
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Exactly what I was thinking. A good camping gun.

I'm in a similar boat except my combo is .454 casull/.454 casull. I like .45C for no particularly good reason, but there is nothing this gun could do I can't already do better.
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I have a .45 LC pistol so the temptation to make another pistol/rifle set is high for me. I could see getting a lot of satisfaction from that with a 250 grain XTP and a healthy dose of H-110 through that long barrel.:)
 
I think mentioning SD in relation to this sort of thing shows a strange obsession with one aspect of gun ownership. Not everything is about self defense.
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I've used a lever-action .45 Colt for HD before. Wouldn't a .45 Colt from an even faster action be even better for H/SD? Now the question (for me) would be whether it's strong enough to shoot GA Arms 260 HPs. But even if it's "only" a lower-powered Gold Dot, 5 quick rounds is a lot of medicine, and should be quite effective for home defense.
 
Quite effective? True... but it has embedded compromises to allow a feature that is of limited use for defense against humans, but can be very beneficial in other circumstances.

I have a 20" Puma M92 that I wouldn't hesitate to use for S/HD. It holds twice as many rounds (roughly). It doesn't have any "don't hold here or your hand will blow up like a puffer fish" points on the user end. The "strong enough" questions have been answered (largely by the ".454 casull" stamped on the barrel, but I digress), and while it may be slower than a DA revolver, it's pretty quick.

OTOH this Rossi offers capabilities the M92 flat doesn't. It can safely run spire pointed bullets to eke out a little extra range. It can fire .410 shotshells that are FAR more appropriate for short range hunting of small game or dealing with pest problems. It doesn't abuse the brass. About the only clear win for for S/HD is rate of fire, but that's a double edged sword because it comes with a 5-6 rd (don't know the cly. size) capacity.

Each weapon has benefits. Neither is unusable. My take, however, is that this revolver's signature benefits all bias it towards non S/HD uses, where something like an M92 (or M1 carbine, or... you get the idea) ends the comparison either neutral or biased towards S/HD.
 
Well, Ed, I am a big fan of the M1 Carbine for close-range social use, so I'll agree with you there.
 
M1 carbine agreement is just too easy. :)

My point wasn't to dismiss the suitability of any gun for S/HD. It was more to say that a gun shouldn't be dismissed just because it's optimized for something other than S/HD.
 
The blast shield looks to be attached to the cylinder crane. Pretty intuitive, it keeps it where it should be.

However, the thing that no one has yet brought up---that thing would be a pain in the neck to reload. I dunno about you guys, but I don't typically point my rifles or shotguns way the heck up into the sky to push an ejector rod, and it seems kind of unhelpful to reload a swing-cylinder revolver on a level plane.

Still kinda want one, though, especially if they make one that can chamber .454, as well, just like the "Raging Judge".
 
Well, it won't make a racking sound which is the primary usage for a self-defense shotgun - In my humorous opinion.

Just a fun gun - no SD advantages over the regular 12 gauge or 223 carbine for HD. But buying fun guns is OK with me.
 
I don't know- *if* they've solved the problem of cylinder gap burn, I think a good .45 Colt HP from a carbine is better than all 12 gauge rounds except Foster slugs*, with less recoil than almost all of them.

I'll agree w/ .223, though.


*No liability from multiple projectiles, and adequate but not excessive penetration in tissue.
 
I'm sitting on the edge of my seat, excited to find out what, exactly, its niche IS.

For me the niche would just be FUN. For some reason I can't understand, .410s just fascinate me. I just plain have a good time with them. Got the wife a Saiga for when we go camping and I'm out hiking around. Can't handle a lot of recoil due to degenerative discs. She would like this better because she was always a revolver shooter. Has a snub .38 that she's very good with. The manual of arms is perfect for her. It took a lot to get her trained on the Saiga. Still really doesn't like the weight of it.

Besides that we have a Bond Arms Snakeslayer, and a Snake Charmer ( which goes to POA very nicely and patterns surprisingly well!).Also had a .410/.45 Colt NEF Survivor till I gave it to my stepson.

Strangely enough, the Judge revolvers still don't stir my cockles much.

And again, strangely enough, this does:

http://www.gunblast.com/images/SHOT2010/Day2/DSC09566.JPG

A buddy of mine said that I have strange tastes. I personally agree and don't care.
 
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Neat I guess but still just as much of a novelty as the Judge is. Revolving carbine in 45LC...hmmm, nobody ever got exicited over he Beretta Stampede carbine. (I did and bought one) Multi shot .410 shotgun...never heard anyone getting excited over pumps in .410 either, or any .410 shotgun for that matter. Have Taurus, a company constantly found to have people dismissing and finding faults with and whoa, what a great idea!. I'll pass!
 
I have to agree, I can't see a use beyond camp gun, but I gotta put it in the "wanna" catagory, just because. Now if they made it in 20 gauge, would be interesting, but would it then fall under the destructive device like the StreetSweeper revolving shotguns? Also would like to see it in some other calibers, get crazy with it, howsabout 45-70, like those other monster revolvers in that caliber?
 
I have a question about legality

the russian MC255 isnt legal to own in the US thanks to them banning the revolving cylinder "protecta" shotguns aka street sweepers

how is taurus... excuse me rossi allowed to sell these?

is it because its tecnicaly a rifle? (but yet a smoothbore is available)

is it because it will be made here so no import laws to worry about?

i ask because i would rather get my hands on a russian MC255 but this may have to fill the gap for a revolving carbine shotgun
 
the russian MC255 isnt legal to own in the US thanks to them banning the revolving cylinder "protecta" shotguns aka street sweepers
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Not correct. The MC255 isn't legal to import into the US because the US and Russia signed a joint treaty in the...1990s IIRC. If it was made in Brazil it could be perfectly legal. Of course, being over .50cal BATFE can declare it a destructive device if they want, but they probably wouldn't.

The .410, being under 50cal, isn't subject to that destructive device threat...and the Rossi, made in Brazil, doesn't run afoul of any US/Russia treaties.
 
This gun looks cool and I kinda want one just based on that. In the smooth bore version, it should be nifty for bunnies, squirrels and pests. In the rifled version, I keep wondering: 1. How much good will a shotshell be without a T/C style choke 2. How will accuracy be with that long cylinder for the bullet to jump 3. Why not chamber in .454 Casull allowing further versatility. I really look forward to the shooting tests on these. Rossi has turned out real winners in the past (i.e. the Puma) and some less impressive.

gary
 
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Were I to be drawn towards a 67-68 gauge, especially of revolving action, I most certainly would take the longer barrel and fine furniture, as opposed to that monstrosity referred to as a late 60's Pontiac muscle car.

If enough sell then maybe they'll introduce the revolving 28 gauge, District Judge/Territorial Judge and offer a special order 32 gauge, Gentleman English Bob Reveling Pheasant Flailer for the discriminating birding experts and fine firearm discerning aficionados...
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As I understand it's a scattergun w/rifled brl option. I'd want the smoothbore coz I think it'd be fun to use to terrorize tree rats, as long as it's DA.
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I see it's SA/DA, but what's up w/sissy pad?


Seriously, the bore difference between 20 & 12 gauge is roughly the same as the difference between .410 & 32 gauge.

32 & 24 gauges are produced outside of the US.

How can that ammo be any more expensive than the .410?

Yes, they would weigh more and take up more room so drop the cylinder to five rounds.(Sadly, I didn't realize the judge started out as a 5 rnd cylinder.)

I'm sorry, yet this idea is not quite mad enough...
 
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I just wanna say that Taurus/Rossi hands down win the contest for coolest name for a gun. When I first heard about the Judge, I thought that was a pretty cool name. Now the Circuit Court Judge? AWESOME. Here's what they should do next. Make one that shoots .50/12ga, and somehow make a fat cylinder to work both barrels of a SxS. Call it the Supreme Court Justice!
 
Here's what they should do next.

"Here's what they should do next. Make one that shoots .50/12ga, and somehow make a fat cylinder to work both barrels of a SxS. Call it the Supreme Court Justice!"



You Sir, have a very warped mind. I like that trait in a person!:D
 
It looks almost as good as this....
 

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I have a Striker 12 gauge and, frankly, do not understand the infatuation with revolving shotguns. I haven't shot the thing in years as there is nothing it can do, save hold a few more rounds, that a conventional pump or autoloader can't do better.
 
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