zstephens13
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Definitely Rock River. That trigger break so clean it almost still surprises me.
RRA vs. Stag
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winknplink
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Whatever you say, Gung Ho.
Thanks for reminding me why I stopped coming here.
winknplink
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Simply not possible according to Azz. Get out of here with your objectivity, facts and reason.
kwelz
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Because you don't like facts?
Of course if being Snarky is more important to you than objectivity that is fine.
2 things about the chamber.
1: RRA doesn't use a 5.56 chamber. I don't reload but I assume that could have something to do with it.
2: If you feel there is something wrong with the BCM did you contact them? I bet Paul would take care of it with a quickness.
What ammo were you using, 5.56 or .223?
benEzra
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They do if you order a 5.56 chamber, but they also offer SAAMI .223 Remington and .223 Wylde chambers, and most of their match grade barrels are either regular .223 or Wylde. Chrome lining may also be available as an extra-cost option ($40 or so, IIRC).
SwampWolf
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The RRA NM 2-stage trigger makes all the difference when choosing between the two imo.
Weird. My RRA has a 5.56 chamber. Must be a factory screw up, eh?
Either would be a fine choice. No need to consult the chart for a paper punchin' machine. Besides, last time I bothered to look at the chart it was for a 'standard' M4gery configuration.
RRA has a big catalog with a lot of options. Uppers/Lowers fit nice and tight and the finish is top notch. Some folks like to point out that the RRA isn't staked as well as it could be - so what? Do a search and you'll find plenty of examples of all brands that need a better stake job.
kwelz
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JonB did you order it with a 5.56 chamber. Except for their match guns, RRA usually ships with a Wylde chamber.
benEzra
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RRA ships however it is ordered by the distributor, but the default for their tactical/defensive-style rifles is a 5.56 NATO chamber, with Wylde and (AFAIK) SAAMI .223 available as options.
For example, the default page for the Elite CAR A4 (16" midlength):
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=219
The Entry Tactical:
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=217
Mid-Length A2/A4:
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=224
All of the above come standard with the 5.56mm NATO chamber. On the other hand, the rifles aimed at Camp Perry style shooting, varmint hunting, etc. typically come standard with a Wylde chamber, though you can get 5.56mm NATO if you want it:
Standard A2/A4:
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=225
Predator Pursuit Rifle:
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=229
Et cetera.
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kwelz
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Ahh they have changed it then. Back when I used to be a distributor for them they shipped with Wylde chambers by default. I stand corrected.
You might want to look at the S&W. I remember seeing one company selling a model for $799 and it also had a bunch of mags with it and a rebate for some free pmags too. That's pretty hard to beat and the quality is really the same as the Stag or RRA. I'd pick Stag over RRA myself but I don't think there's a massive difference between the 2.
If you want to spend a bit more I'd probably go with the BCM. Or you could assemble one as you go with whatever parts you particularly like. Some parts matter more than others. I'd be pickier about the BCG than say which brand my stripped lower was (as long as it's made properly to spec of course).
If you want to spend a bit more I'd probably go with the BCM. Or you could assemble one as you go with whatever parts you particularly like. Some parts matter more than others. I'd be pickier about the BCG than say which brand my stripped lower was (as long as it's made properly to spec of course).
Bartholomew Roberts
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It is hard to keep up with all of the changes at each manufacturer. I'd basically consider these two manufacturers to be about equal - maybe a slight edge to Stag just because that is the rifle I've had direct experience with most recently and it was well built (carrier key staked, castle nut staked, good parts).
Double Naught Spy posted a thread at TFL with an RRA that had the cam slot in the bolt carrier milled .025" too short. The result was that the cam pin doesn't move far enough back that you can remove it from the bolt carrier. That strikes me as a really obvious manufacturing defect that should have been caught by the factory; but I don't think it represents the typical product RRA puts out.
My general advice is not to get too caught up in the brand name. Decide what features you want and then buy from the manufacturer who gives you the best combination of price and service for those features.
Double Naught Spy posted a thread at TFL with an RRA that had the cam slot in the bolt carrier milled .025" too short. The result was that the cam pin doesn't move far enough back that you can remove it from the bolt carrier. That strikes me as a really obvious manufacturing defect that should have been caught by the factory; but I don't think it represents the typical product RRA puts out.
My general advice is not to get too caught up in the brand name. Decide what features you want and then buy from the manufacturer who gives you the best combination of price and service for those features.
migkillertwo
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NEITHER! GET A SPIKES!
http://www.spikestactical.com/z/ind...ducts_id=443&zenid=l5ellk3ntpp7f1mhhselek10a7
http://www.spikestactical.com/z/ind...ducts_id=443&zenid=l5ellk3ntpp7f1mhhselek10a7
migkillertwo
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In the case of Stag arms, the price is about the same. But in terms of quality, BCM and DD and Spikes are much better. The bolts are HP tested, MP tested, and shot-peened. Also the barrels are made with 4150 CMV steel, unlike the 4140 CM steel used on the Stag and Rock River models. Oh, and the twist rate on most of the BCM, DD, and Spikes rifles are 1/7, not 1/9 unlike Stag and RRA.
Oh, and Spikes costs way less than Rock River.
SwampWolf
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My Rock River AR-15 has a 1:8 twist-and it's not a "special order".
CapnMorgan
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there all the same lol.
I have a DPMS, an RRA, and an Armalite(Eagle). All set up a little different but all great. If your buying to shoot, have fun, modifiy to your likings, etc... I'd buy the cheaper one. They're all mil-spec and I have handled some stags, they seem just as good as the rest.
My DPMS was the cheapest and is my favorite M4A2 setup. I use it with a cmmg 22lr conversion and my Coastal Passport.
My RRA is a post ban(bought in 99') without bayo lug and non threaded, Standard A2 HBar.
The armalite is a build that I recently sold the upper. Was an M4A4 setup. I plan on a 20" flat top next.
I have a DPMS, an RRA, and an Armalite(Eagle). All set up a little different but all great. If your buying to shoot, have fun, modifiy to your likings, etc... I'd buy the cheaper one. They're all mil-spec and I have handled some stags, they seem just as good as the rest.
My DPMS was the cheapest and is my favorite M4A2 setup. I use it with a cmmg 22lr conversion and my Coastal Passport.
My RRA is a post ban(bought in 99') without bayo lug and non threaded, Standard A2 HBar.
The armalite is a build that I recently sold the upper. Was an M4A4 setup. I plan on a 20" flat top next.
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CapnMorgan
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I can't remeber what twist my rra is, The barrel has no markings. my dpms is 1-9
NWCP
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I own both a Stag and an RRA. Never had an issue with either rifle, or customer service from either company. Both are fine rifles and I'd deal with either again in a heartbeat. In fact I'm thinking of a 6.8 SPC upper. I'd be hard pressed to pick between the two. The Stag is a piston gun and the RRA a DI. The RRA trigger is a nm whereas the Stag is their plain Jane. I hunt with the Stag and use the RRA for personal defense. It could have been the other way around as far as I'm concerned. Pricing is pretty close on both so money isn't a factor. You can't go wrong with either one. JMHO
RockyMtnTactical
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Between the two, I prefer Stag.
Welding Rod
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Regarding the BCM chamber, I don't think there is anything wrong with it, it just appears that the head space is pretty generous.... not something I like in a rifle. I reload and won't reuse brass that is getting stretch excessively when fired.
I shoot mostly Federal XM193 for plinking, and Hornady .223 75 grain TAP or Match for precision shooting.
I shoot mostly Federal XM193 for plinking, and Hornady .223 75 grain TAP or Match for precision shooting.
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