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RSC Decision - AMSEC or Sturdy

Discussion in 'Shooting Gear and Storage' started by Shawrco, Sep 22, 2013.

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  1. TheSafeGuy

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    The 1/4" BF safe

    Okay, here is the deal. The heavy liner BF is not in the lineup for next season. However, if you want one, call your local dealer/distributor and ask for a quote for a BF with a 4-gauge liner. Our manufacturing and engineering is GTG, but we shelved the product for the time being. However, I am told we will take orders for custom make-to-order BFs with a 4 gauge liner. The price should not be outrageous. Our team is expecting inquiries, so if you want this, there is a good chance you can get it done.
     
  2. LeonCarr

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    This thread has been a great source of information.

    Great to see a bunch of subject matter experts chime in on Safes/RSCs.

    Thanks a bunch for sharing your knowledge,
    LeonCarr
     
  3. justindo

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    Thanks a bunch, SafeGuy!
     
  4. Simson

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    TheSafeGuy, I think your BF safe with a 4ga liner would do really well and glad to see you guys might offer it. To be honest, the 1/2" steel plate door on a body with thin sheet steel and low density concrete body seemed a bit disproportionate. Now put a 4ga liner on that same safe, that would be a tough gun safe to get into and one that doesn't weight 4 tons.
     
  5. Walkalong

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    The BF with a 1/2" door and a 4 gauge liner and their "concrete" fire filler is a very interesting option.
     
  6. justindo

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    The thin gauge body is the weak point on the BFs. A 4 gauge liner is a game changer and makes it the best RSC on the market in its price range, in my opinion.
     
  7. TheSafeGuy

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    Well, our distribution would disagree with you. The 4 gauge liner on a BF6030 will add an estimated 285 lbs to an already overweight safe that most dealers won't stock because it's over that magic 1000 lb mark. Most competing models are well under 800 lbs. This HD version will tip the scales at around 1350 lbs. :eek:

    This thing only happens if the customers like yourself drive it. The wholesaler/distributor/dealer decides what THEY want to buy and move, and in turn what you get to chose from in the showroom. Demand is the only thing that will change that habit. :banghead:
     
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    Yes I do understand Safeguy, much over 1000Lbs you begin to have to consider reinforcing stairs, floor joists etc. Actually, a 3/8" door with a 7ga liner in your BF would still be appealing to me, wonder what that would weigh?
     
  9. TheSafeGuy

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    A quick calculation shows it will be around 1185 lbs. It's still up 150 lbs over the stock weight of 1035 lbs.

    What makes good sense is to provide a net 1/4" body. The outer shell is 12 gauge (0.105 in), so getting to 1/4 inch would require a 10 gauge liner (0.105 + 0.135 = 0.240 in). Do that with a 3/8 door, and you end up with a weight around 1110 lbs. Still heavier than the standard...
     
  10. CB900F

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    Fella's;

    I've sold Graffunder's for years. The smallest standard size safe is the B6026 & it weighs 1225 lbs. empty. In my experience it doesn't sell well because it's too small, has 12 slots. However, the point of my post is that I never, not once, ever had a problem selling or installing one because of a weight consideration. And I sold more than a few of 'em over the years. I've even installed examples by myself, and I'm an old man. Granted, I had all the proper equipment available, a fair amount of experience doing it, and a huge motivation not to hurt myself, but that amount of weight should never be considered a deterrent to either selling or placing a unit.

    Now, you get to a C7248 at 3600 lbs. empty, you gotta think real good about whatcher doin' there. It's that damn gravity ya see.

    :D 900F
     
  11. justindo

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    SafeGuy,

    My dealer has been trying to order me a BF with the 4 gauge. liner, but he hasn't been able to talk with anyone from AmSec who is aware of the upgrade. Could you either private message me or post the name and/or contact info of someone at AmSec who could get this done for me? I'd really appreciate it! Thanks.
     
  12. nyresq

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    Unless something was tested by Sturdy recently, last I checked, none of their products carries an actual RSC rating. They claim it "meets and exceeds" the UL rating, but has not actually been tested and given an approval of the RSC rating.

    And Frank, care to elaborate on the fall out with Graffunder?
     
  13. icecold1

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    I was looking at a Fort Knox as I like the heavy gauge steel but a amsec with a 4 gauge liner sounds very appealing.who can we contact to get these ordered?
    Please post some contact info so my dealer can call someone who knows something
    Thanks
    Pete
     
  14. a1abdj

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    If your dealer doesn't know who to contact in order to place an order for a safe, you're dealing with the wrong dealer.
     
  15. icecold1

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    he says he called and no one knows of this upgraded liner.he is really pushing superior safes,most likely because he makes the biggest profit on them.
    i would really like to know what it would cost for a amsec bf in 7240 with the upgraded liner.
    maybe i'll check the amsec site and look for another dealer
    pete
     
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    icecold1;

    If you've been looking at Ft. Knox, then I presume you've also been looking at the price tag attached. At that cost level you might want to consider looking into a true U.L. B rated safe, they aren't that much more. However when the protective ability of a safe is compared to an RSC, which a Ft. Knox is, hopefully you'll realize that a little more money gets you into a vastly superior product. There are members on this site who can speak to that from actual experience.

    900F
     
  17. TheSafeGuy

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    BF with 4Ga Liner

    We are getting our ducks lined up on this now. I'll have more info later today.
     
  18. TheSafeGuy

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    Please send me a PM for information on BF with 4Ga liner.
     
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