Rudy Giuliani vs. Hillary Clinton .. Next President & Gun Control

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I kinda think it works like this. One of the parties gets a run for either
4 yrs or 8 yrs, then the mass gets tired of the same old line. The mass
decides it's time for a change. Not because it may be good for the Nation,
but the fact is the mass gets tired of things pretty quick. I wouldn't
be too surprised to see a change in Congress come 2006.

You can bet there will be a change in 08, and none for the better as far
as us pro-gun folks agenda is concerned..

Hope for the best and expect the worse.

Far as the GOP right now, it sure didn't help that 14 Marines were killed
yesterday and 6 right before. I saw where a total of 39 troops have
been killed since 7-24. I HATE to see this, and sure enough it's
going to come right back on the Pres' lap. The mass will forgive alot
of things, but the Iraq Campaign is gonna come back to haunt those
in power now..

Anyway you see it..God bless our troops !

Just my 0.02 along with a cup of bad coffee.
 
Gack! Not ANOTHER Clinton.......

It's taken five years just for the last one to slide into a comfortable gray memory oblivion. :barf:

Rebar is correct here:
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"Two things are for certain - voting libertarian is asking to lose, and voting Democrat is going backwards."
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All this posturing and anguish :rolleyes:

What the Republicans DIDN"T do is nothing -
compared to what Hitlery WOULD do to us! :eek:

We need a conservative Republican who can win in '08. ;)
 
I am sick of the 2 party system but I am really sick of these family dynasty Presidencies, ala Clinton and Bush.

The GOP run the show and have for some time now and the borders remain wide open, bloated Government and the welfare programs continue on unimpeded, civil liberties and states rights continue to be squashed, the deficit has reached asinine proportions with nothing on the GOP's agenda to curb it from getting worse let alone moving us back into the black, and for added kicks a war that is becoming increasingly unpopular with no end in sight or signs it will get better.

Forget this voting for the lesser of 2 evils crap, it does not work!!
 
High School Prom

They dance us to the left, then they dance us to the right, and after the dance, same old thing. We have not sufficiently defended the Constitution, and it may be too late, now, but I never wanted to die in a hospital bed anyway. All we can do is keep on saying "Molon Labe".

This is what will happen if we let it. These poor blokes are just about defeated.

http://www.australianhunting.net/phpBB2/index.php
 
Rebar,

Thanks for that link. My recollection was clearly faulty on a couple key points: 1) He really was ill, and 2) he really did recover.

I was thinking he was claiming heart disease or something, but I agree that prostate cancer deserves more attention than a Senate race.
 
Thanks for that link.
Sure thing. I'm not a big fan of the guy, but his cancer battle is quite inspiring. I'd like him to knock Clinton out of her senate seat, he's the only one who could do it, and it would hurt her going into '08.

Anyway, as I stated before, Giuliani nor any other northeastern RINO like Romney or Pataki, will ever win the primary. I think Frist will be the candidate, if we're lucky he'll get Rice as VP, that'd be a nice ticket.
 
I'd vote 3rd party.

If we (mostly Republicans) vote for a third party in 2008, Hillary will certainly become President which is the most dangerous thing that could happen to the U.S. Let's get a real conservative Republican to win the primary instead of Guliani. And I don't think Bill Frist has what it takes either.
 
And I don't think Bill Frist has what it takes either.
Well, then who? Frist is the most conservative of those who seemingly are in the running for '08, at least that I know of.
 
This isn't that difficult. The Dems have become so radical that all one has to do is their part to keep them from winning elections. It would be nice to have some real benefits, but first things first. You hope for the best candidate possible to keep the socialists at bay. This insistence that Republicans be classic conservatives is nonsense. They are what they are and may indeed be the lesser of two evils.

Fundamental change will not come from Presidential elections. The winner is very likely to be either near the middle or pretending to be so. If the Dems want to present another ultra liberal like a Kerry, they will lose again.
 
It is amazing to me that so many of you guys are so okay with eight more years of rep leadership and of their same impotence, incompetence, religious bigotry, failure, idiocy, and sycophantry. Please compare the list of their electoral promises with what they actually did, or did not do. Some follow, but please add more of your own:

1) small government :rolleyes:
2) uniter rather than divider :rolleyes:
3) change for the better :rolleyes:

If they failed so badly (especially when controlling pres, sen, con), why do you want to give them another lease on life? In my mind, it is like paroling a repeated offender over and over again. Oh, wait, I guess that does happen... :evil:

Finally, it seems to me some of you guys are so focused on the gun issues that seem willing to support virtually anybody, who among other things, is even marginally pro-gun, and then defend him with claws and teeth no matter what kind of other pooh he produces on a regular basis. Do you guys really believe guns is the SINGLE most important issue of our times? That reminds of the old lady I heard about who vehemently hated Bush but voted for him because she hates gay marriage even more.

My personal position: I am pro-gun and absolutely hate the idea of gun-grabbers, bans, sideway attacks, serialization, leftifascists, etc. Personally, I'd like to have AK47 and MP5 at home, and regard a restriction on that as a violation of my rights. BUT, I also think that how many guns I have on our communal ship will not save me from drowning if the ship is heading straight for a reef...
 
OK, lets compare to Clintons promises and broken promises:

"List of Bill Clinton's
Campaign Promises"





1. "Vote for me and we'll produce more natural gas in Texas."

2. "The West should establish a $6 billion fund to stabilize the Russian ruble."

3. "I will streamline the federal government and change the way it works, cut 100,000 bureaucrats and put 100,000 new police officers on your streets of American cities."

4. "I promise you I will never bash public employees."

5. "I would want the first judge I appointed to believe in the right to privacy and the right to choose."

6. "What would work is to raise the top tax rate on people with gross incomes above $200,000 to 35% or 36% and put a surtax on people with incomes of $1 million of more a year."

7. "We should pay up--and pay now--the past dues we owe to the U.N."

8. "If I become president, we will keep a kosher kitchen in the White House."

9. "Under our health care system, all Americans will have access to quality and affordable health care through coverage from their employer, or if they're unemployed through the government."

10. "I want a leaner bureaucracy and more investment."

11. "A national apprenticeship program for non-college-bound young people so they can get good jobs, fully fund Head Start--those things are not terribly expensive."

12. "To the fathers who have chosen to abandon their children by neglecting child support. Take responsibility for your children or we will force you to do so."

13. "U.S. troop levels can be safely reduced to a force in the range of 75,000 - 100,000."

14. "As soon as the Pentagon issued a study which said there was no basis in national security for disciminating based on sexual orientation of Americans who wish to serve in the military, I said I would act on the study."

15. "I am going to send Al Gore to Capitol Hill to take the lead in passing our program in the first 100 days of the new administration."

16. "I would bring in all the players within the first 60 days and tell them to develop a national health care plan."

17. "The Clinton-Gore Administration will view the support of generic industrial technologies as a priority mission."

18. "My first priority would be to pass a jobs program to introduce it on the first day I was inaugurated."

19. "My plan offers $50 billion in new investments over the next four years--new incentives for the private sector, and investment tax credit, urban enterprise zones, new business tax incentives, research and development incentives and others."

20. "At the very least, 10 % of the $76 billion that the government now spends each year on research should be redirected from the Pentagon's research effort to civil efforts."

21. "We can give you a country again where we are pro-growth and pro-environment. Where we are pro-business and pro-labor. Where we are pro-civil rights and pro-civil order. Where we are pro-family and pro-choice."

22. "When it comes to AIDS, there should be a Manhattan Project."

23. "We can pledge right now that for every dollar we reduce the defense budget on research and development, we'll increase the civilian research and development budget by the same amount."

24. "I want to increase federal funding for research, prevention and treatment for AIDS."

25. "I support a strong American role in the UN and with the EC to end Serbian aggression. I have supported the use of multilateral military force if necessary."

26. "My administration will stand up for democracy and buttress democratic forces in Haiti, Pru and throughout the Western Hemisphere."

27. "We need not just a new generation of leadership, but a new gender of leadership. This is the minority I enjoy being in."

28. "Those who can [after two years on welfare] will have to go back to work, either by taking a job in the private sector or through community service."

29. "The United States should lead the fight to slow global warming, instead of dragging our feet and ignoring important scientific data."

30. "I want to appoint one person, man or woman, to oversee and coordinate all federal efforts related to this issue, AIDS."

31. "A Clinton-Gore Administration will not permit American firms again to sell key technologies to outlaw states like Iraq."

32. "I certainly will give every consideration to Hispanic candidates for the Supreme Court."

33. "The old addage 'mi casa, su casa' will be true when my house is the White House"

34. "All the money by which we reduce defense research and development I would put immediately into domestic, commercial research and development."

35. "I will elevate economics; create an Economic Security Council similar to the National Security Council"

36. "My administration will reduce our forces, but maintain a credible presence in Europe and Asia."

37. "I want people like some of you in this audience to be a part of a Clinton Administration, not because of or in spite of your sexual orientation, but because American needs you."

38. "You live in a country that makes it harder to raise children than any other country in the world. You vote for me and I'll give you family values."

39. "If I become president, I will continue to reach out to the American people. I'll get back on a bus when I'm president. I'll go back and have town meetings and let ordinary people ask me questions. I will not hide behind the walls of the White House."

40. "After this election is over, I will continue to reach out to the American (whoops)."

41. "If I become president, I will have a cabinet that looks like America."

42. "My strategy puts people first by investing more than $50 billion each year for the next four years to put America back to work--the most dramatic economic growth package since WWII."

43. "With the dwindling Soviet threat, we can cut defense spending by more than a third by 1997."

44. "I propose that the US must take the lead in putting together a bridge loan to help Russia make the transition from its old system to its new economy."

45. "Middle-class taxpayers will have the choice between a children's tax credit or a significant reduction in their income tax rate."

46. "Vote for me and we'll conserve more energy all over America."

47. "We'll restore the dignity of blue-collar work by guaranteeing an apprenticeship program to every non-college-bound student in the USA."

48. "We will link China's trading privileges to its human rights record and its conduct on trade and weapons sales."

49. "We'll seek to raise the average goal for automakers to 45 miles per gallon."

50. "We'll pass a national bottle bill to encourage recycling by creating small deposits on all glass and plastic bottles."

51. "I will not raise taxes on the middle class to pay for these programs."



****Broke Promise Link****



And someone wants his wife? :what:






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It is amazing to me that so many of you guys are so okay with eight more years of rep leadership and of their same impotence, incompetence, religious bigotry, failure, idiocy, and sycophantry.
I sure am, when the alternative is all of the above, PLUS gun grabbing, higher taxes, and socialism.

You're great at carping, complaining, and Bush/republican bashing, but not so great at solutions or alternatives, I've noticed. Who are you going to vote for, Hillary? That's your right, but if you think you're going to convince anyone who cares about RKBA to do the same, you're nuts.
 
Face it, we’re in a minority. The whole country is moving left and has been for the last 40 years. Today’s Republicans are the Democrats of the 50’s and 60’s. Today’s Democrats are the hardcore socialist/statist/Leninist/Marxists of the 60’s. People like us who believe in independence, individual liberty, the RKBA, smaller government and a constructionist view of the Constitution have been marginalized. We don’t represent enough of a constituency that is worth more than lip service pandering by the so-called ‘conservatives’.

The point is, we have lost the culture war, and politics will follow the culture of the society. I don’t see anything we can do to turn it around. Sure, we can continue to compromise and vote the ‘lesser of two evils’ and slowly but surely watch our liberties erode. Then what?
 
Just like yourselves, I am sorry to see my options so limited between Lucifer and Mephisto.

But, my study of history has revealed to me that no great power ever survived for long when their economy was undercut and gradually destroyed by excessive spending, idiotic decisions, flawed ideology etc. Economic decline was always followed by political unrest and military weakness, followed by inevitable cataclysmic collapse or slow quiet death.

Thus I submit to you that if there is a SINGLE most important issue of our times, that by far is keeping the US ECONOMY as strong as possible and investing in the future by building new industries and producing new technologies, here at home, not in Costa Rica or in China.

Thus I would vote for the side that has the most sensible plan how to control and eventually eliminate both the federal deficit and the trade imbalance, while nurturing the future of this country.
 
It is amazing to me that so many of you guys are so okay with eight more years of rep leadership and of their same impotence, incompetence, religious bigotry, failure, idiocy, and sycophantry.

I reject your premise. Bush is a quite competent President who has an excellent administration. When I listen to the likes of Jeff Sessions among other good ones speak in the Senate, I am quite comfortable being and remaining a Republican like him. Are there policies and initiatives with which I disagree? You betcha, but you have to consider the alternatives. Again, whatever I wanted to see accomplished would not result from a Presidential election.

If you actually were confronted with a Guiliani vs. a Clinton, well pick your poison, but it wouldn't be the end of the world.
 
I like Rudy as a person and as an administrator, but there's no way I'll vote for him in a primary. In the general election, I'm not sure what I would do(depends on the Democrat), but if I vote for him, it's despite his extremely poor record on gun issues. I probably won't be able to do it - and I live in a close state.

Even McCain is better than Rudy on guns - and McCain I would never ever vote for.

And I'm speaking here as a GOP party member.
 
Thus I would vote for the side that has the most sensible plan how to control and eventually eliminate both the federal deficit and the trade imbalance, while nurturing the future of this country.
So you'll be voting republican after all.
 
What I'd like to see is an outside away from the Big Spending jokers in Washington. South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford would be a good pick.

He stood up to RINOS AND DEMS.
 
Hmmm... Mark Sanford does look pretty good from the little I've read about him. Plus he's a governor and a Southerner.

Has he expressed any interest in running?
 
When you vote Republican, you get big government liberals. That's the problem.
IMO, the American people are not ready for a true conservative small government administration, and will not vote for one.

So here are your choices:

Big government liberals who don't take your guns

or

Even bigger government socialists who will take your guns

I know how I'll be voting.
 
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