Ruger 10/22 rediscovered and modification thread/hopefully with pics

[rainelle]

My rifle

Browning.

I have built/put together 5 rugers with after market parts here is one of my favorites.

 

[koja48]

My rifle

Nice! How's it shoot?

 

[alucard0822]

finally got around to taking a pic, also I am in the market for a $100-$150 scope. I looked at a Nikon prostaff 3-9X40, and thought it looked nice and clear. I have also been looking at the sightron SI 3-9RF. I plan on target shooting at 100yds, and would like a decent 3x-9x scope, most rimfire paralax is set to 50yds, and centerfire scopes at 150, so Im not sure if one or the other is better for 100yds, I am a litle leary of an adjustable paralax in this price range, and would like adjustment "clicks" to be fairly accurate and it to hold 0 reliably, any suggestions are appreciated.

 

[cslinger]

Guess I'll play. Next I want to build something using the B&C Anschutz stock as well.

 

[koja48]

VERY nice, folks! Who makes those stocks?

Alucard ~ I put 3-9 Tasco scopes on the rifles I put together & they seem to be just fine through the range you referenced. I've used them for about 10 - 12 years now, with no problems. Picked the pair up at a gun show for a song. I use Sightron optics on 1 of my ARs . . . nice, bright scope, but a bit spendy for a .22.

 

[Browning]

Damn you guys have some nice 10/22's!!

There's too many choices out there.

Thanks Wally for the name of that ammo by CCI: Green Tag, I'll have to remember that.

I bought some Wolf .22 ammo several years ago and it was horrible stuff, is their new match .22 ammo that much better than it was before? The old Wolf .22 ammo I bought years ago was in an off white paper and carboard box with Cyrillic lettering, it had lead bullets that were unjacketed and it was dirty as hell. The only .22 that I could get it to work in was a Romanian bolt action trainer that a buddy of mine had so I gave it all to him since it malfunctioned in every single .22 I had. I've seen some of the new stuff, but I didn't give it much thought due to that bad experience with their earlier ammo. So I'm guessing their new match stuff is alot better from some of the descriptions??

Is there much of a difference in quality between the Bell and Carlson Ruger 10/22 stocks and the McMillan 10/22 stocks? Are both of them free floated or what? Is there some kind of bedding on one that's not on the other? What are the advantages and disadvantages to each?

For the Bell and Carlson Anshultz stock that I want I'm just basically going on how it felt (I got to play around with one that a dealer had at a gun show), where the stock is about the right level for the scope I have and how it looks. Is there anything else that I should look for in a stock?

 

[rainelle]

5 shots in an inch at 100

Koja48

This rifle is not the best shooting one that I put together. I guess my best group with this rifle was 5 shots in an inch at 100 yards. The best hunting shot was a one shot kill on a groundhog at 116 yards. I got the dope dialed into 150 yards in 10 yard increments. Using a laser range finder it turns into some fun sniper work.

Here is a pic of my brother shooting probably the best shooting one I ever put together. He is shooting at 1/2 inch targets at 100 yards, he does not hit them every time but most of the time.

What I have found that works, volquartsen extended mag release, volquartsen bolt release, volquartsen buffer pin. Have your favorite gun smith work the trigger putting in a stop screw. I have used volquartsen trigger groups but they are way $$$$, and the last one I got did not work that well.

Barrels that I have liked, on the cheap Green mountain bulled fluted steel, not so cheap magnum research carbon fiber, and tactical solutions, and Clark.

If you go with a wood stock have the action bedded and the barrel floated.

I have used a few of the hogue overmolded stocks with good results.

Last but not least hang the best glass you can afford on it. Weaver leapold, I have used the BSA sweet 22's but they are not my favorite.

Ammo that I like is Remington Target Rifle made by eley. It is the best split I have found between $$ and quality

 

[alucard0822]

from my earlier post on pg 1

butler creek fluted stainless 20" barell courtesy of Riley007

Yukon extreme thumbhole stock in electric blue

The single best mod any 10/22 owner can do for $35, auto bolt release and 2lb trigger
http://www.shootersdiscount.com/cart...od&productId=9

bedded the action with some bondo polyglass I had laying around. polished all the pins and bearing surfaces, reangled the sear to match the new hammer, polished the firing pin cleaned and lubed everything

and an unknown model of tasco 3-9X40 scope I didn't know I had, on quicksite rings (found with the scope) and a weaver base

I will see how it feels to shoot in it's current config, and possibly upgrade the glass, put in an adj trigger, and target bolt handle/guide/spring.

It will be nice to have a tackdriver to go along with my buckmark hunter

I have used cheap scopes for most of my life, and it gets frustrating to have to sight it in every time I go to the range, and every few hundred rounds, and if you were to move it up 6 clicks and down 2 (1/4 min adj), somehow it will hit about 2" higher and 1" to the side, but this was the norm untill last summer. I shot my cousin's savage varmint in 204 ruger, with a nice leupold v2 on top. I could see the target and recticle better at 12x on his than 18x on mine, the adjustments were consistent, and could be used to compensate for distance and wind with a chart, and the 1st shot would be dead center. he said he zeroed it at 200 yds once when he got it, and has never had to do it since. I do not have the money for a leupold, but would like something decent, not like the same old tasco/BSA crap that I have always used.

 

[quicktime]

It is really amazing how much good optics will improve your game. If you ever have the chance pick up a Night Force and look through it. I have two of them and they eclipse the Leupold stuff that I have and they are pretty much bullet proof. To prove the point my smith took his 308 sniper rig with a Night Force on top and threw it down a shop with a concrete floor It still held it's zero and tracked all adjustments.

 

[quicktime]

Also if you have some major coin you want to invest in 10/22 parts check out the Jason Kidd two stage trigger set up I think his website is coolguyguns.com but if not hit google

 

[Browning]

Does anybody have any experience with the New Wolf .22 LR Match ammo and/or any experience with the Bell & Carlson vs. McMillan Ruger 10/22 stocks????

Browning : I bought some Wolf .22 ammo several years ago and it was horrible stuff, is their new match .22 ammo that much better than it was before? The old Wolf .22 ammo I bought years ago was in an off white paper and carboard box with Cyrillic lettering, it had lead bullets that were unjacketed and it was dirty as hell. The only .22 that I could get it to work in was a Romanian bolt action trainer that a buddy of mine had so I gave it all to him since it malfunctioned in every single .22 I had. I've seen some of the new stuff, but I didn't give it much thought due to that bad experience with their earlier ammo. So I'm guessing their new match stuff is alot better from some of the descriptions??

Is there much of a difference in quality between the Bell and Carlson Ruger 10/22 stocks and the McMillan 10/22 stocks? Are both of them free floated or what? Is there some kind of bedding on one that's not on the other? What are the advantages and disadvantages to each?

 

[hksw]

The current Wolf .22 Match grade ammo (as well as SK) is being produced by Lapua in their German (SK, IIRC) plant. It is, IMO, as good as any other high end target ammo from other big name manufacturers like RWS, Eley, etc. Wax coated. Most folks like the Match Target but I get very slightly better results with Match Extra in the guns that like Wolf.

I have a B&C for a couple 10/22s but my McMillan is on a 10/22M converted to .17 HMR. Strictly going on build quality, I would have to give it to McMillan. The B&C, however, does work very well and is a much lower cost option.

 

[PisnNapalm]

 

[Browning]

hksw : The current Wolf .22 Match grade ammo (as well as SK) is being produced by Lapua in their German (SK, IIRC) plant. It is, IMO, as good as any other high end target ammo from other big name manufacturers like RWS, Eley, etc. Wax coated. Most folks like the Match Target but I get very slightly better results with Match Extra in the guns that like Wolf.

Okay thanks, I'll have to try some out.

I have a B&C for a couple 10/22s but my McMillan is on a 10/22M converted to .17 HMR. Strictly going on build quality, I would have to give it to McMillan. The B&C, however, does work very well and is a much lower cost option.

Does the McMillan have some feature that the Bell and Carlson doesn't have?

Or are you just going off of the look and feel of the actual materials that the stocks are made out of?

I'm only buying one target stock for this, so I want the best one.

I don't care if it costs a little bit more, I'd rather just get it right the first time than get buyers regret.

 

[Cougfan2]

Browning, it was called CCI Greentag and is good ammo. The old Winchester T22 (don't even know if they make it any more) was also good affordable .22 lr target ammo.

 

[hksw]

The outer portion of the McMillan is fiberglass with the inside fulled with (IMO) polyurethane. The barrel channel is milled out. A few different butts can be installed on the buttstock per your specification or none can be installed if you plan to do it yourself. Also, you can specify other features like rails and type and location of sling studs/quick connects.

The B&C is merely molded (IMO) polyurethane and painted over. (The Anschütz-type stock, not sure about the Oddyssey as I don't hve one.)

 

[Browning]

I wish I could find a place that actually had this stuff in stock so that I could actually look at it and see it instead of trying to do it all blind. Anybody know of a place in North Texas that sells alot of this .22 target stuff?

 

[koja48]

Alright folks . . . enough! I am now in the throes of severe 10/22 relapse. Last night, I tore down one of my 10/22s, then I installed a custom bolt handle, mag release, titanium firing pin, and new extractor. A Boyd’s Evolution stock is on the way, as is a Mueller 8.5-24 mildot tac scope, new mounts & rail, bedding material (but I’ll likely make my own pillar bedding block), Kidd trigger group (will use the old trigger group in an HMII that is next on the project list). Browning was correct in his initial post . . . shooting 22s DOES save money (NOT). Pics to follow . . . see what happens when you get all caught-up on Jeep mods & reloading?

 

[Eyesac]

I was kind of getting the rimfire bug before, but now it's a full blown disease

Ha! Consider me diseased.

Does anyone know of which .22 match grade ammo that's affordable?

I've been torn myself between the expensive match grade stuff (ely) and cheap Remington SubSonic. I know there's a lot of people out there that hate Rem cheap stuff (and I do too, just not the SS). I get GREAT groups from the Ely stuff, but I also get some great groups from regular old Rem Sub and at a 1/4 of the price... Seriously, go buy a box of everything and try it out. I mean, lets face it, I don't feel to bad about a little compromise when it comes to .22 ammo (bang for the buck is what we're talking about when we're shooting .22s anyway right?).

 

[hksw]

I do have to say, I wasn't (and still am not) a big fan of Big Green ammo but the Sub Sonics do better than bulk and standard $10-$12/brick ammo in my iron sighted Kimber 82G as well as the current Fed Match 711B. Not as good as Wolf Match Exta but good enough to use for practice. Also, Wolf Match Target is a good option, IMO.

 

[Browning]

koja48 : Alright folks . . . enough! I am now in the throes of severe 10/22 relapse. Last night, I tore down one of my 10/22s, then I installed a custom bolt handle, mag release, titanium firing pin, and new extractor. A Boyd’s Evolution stock is on the way, as is a Mueller 8.5-24 mildot tac scope, new mounts & rail, bedding material (but I’ll likely make my own pillar bedding block), Kidd trigger group (will use the old trigger group in an HMII that is next on the project list). Browning was correct in his initial post . . . shooting 22s DOES save money (NOT). Pics to follow . . . see what happens when you get all caught-up on Jeep mods & reloading?

Sounds like you're in the same dark place that I am.

There's no solution to your problem other than to just give your wife the checkbook (not an option if you don't want her buying enough shoes to rival Imelda Marcos) or until you buy all the 10/22 stuff that you want (but it's never really over, there's always one more thing that you HAVE to do to it before it'll be complete).

BTW are those Mueller Scopes any good?

I looked at them before I bought that Nikon, but I didn't know much about them so I passed.

 

[goalie]

I bought an Adams and Bennett barrel and an unfinished stock (laminated) combo from Midway. I then put in a target hammer and increased power spring kit, which brought the trigger pull down to 2 pounds. I topped it with a Simmons 22 mag AO scope.

It looks great and shoots even better.

 

[Browning]

Eyesac : Seriously, go buy a box of everything and try it out. I mean, lets face it, I don't feel to bad about a little compromise when it comes to .22 ammo (bang for the buck is what we're talking about when we're shooting .22s anyway right?).

That's probably what I'll end up doing, even the high end match ammo isn't that much more in comparison with centerfire rounds. I'll just buy some of the CCI Greentag and the Wolf Match and compare them side by side and see which one my rifle likes better.

 

[Kimber1911_06238]

quick question...can you replace the barrel on a 10/22 yourself or does it have to be done by a gunsmith? how hard is it to do? for a project gun, do I just buy the cheapest 10/22 available if i'm replacing the barrel and stock or are the actions different on the different models?

oh yeah....one more. if I get a 10/22 can it be converted to shoot .17 hmr by just switching the barrel or is it much more involved than that?

 

[hksw]

for a project gun, do I just buy the cheapest 10/22 available if i'm replacing the barrel and stock or are the actions different on the different models?

That is the correct avenue to take, cheapest 10/22 you can find (even used) then go from there. All of the 10/22s are the same on the inside (other than very slight modifications to some internal parts' dimensions over the years that don't affect function).

The barrel is simply clamped into the receiver using two Allen-type head bolts and a V-clamp. A DIY operation.

The 10/22 cannot simply be converted to .17 HMR or even.17 HM2 for that matter. In the case for the HMR, that cartridge is .22 mag OA length (roughly). The shorter .22 long rifle length action cannot accomodate that longer length. There is a conversion for this operation (.22lr to .22 mag/,17HMR) posted on Rimfirecentral but it requires significant modification (grinding/milling) of the receiver to do it. Plus, there have been reports of the aluminum receivers of the 10/22 breaking when done. This is the reason the 10/22M receiver was made with steel instead of aluminum.

The 10/22 can be converted to .17 HM2 but will require (other than a new barrel) a stronger recoil spring and some additional weight to the bolt (usually in the form of a heavier bolt handle).