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Ruger Distaste

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Blue Brick, Nov 2, 2012.

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  1. Sam1911

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    Ruger revolvers are quite well respected here.

    Their DAs aren't as pretty and classic looking as the Colt and Smith models.

    Ruger's adoption of their cast manufacturing processes makes them heavier and a bit less artful than the Colt and Smith guns, for the same strength.

    They killed off the S...-Six models in favor of the GP, which most consider a step in completely the wrong direction.

    Their Redhawk SHOULD be a strong competitor for the N-frame Smiths, but most shooters don't enjoy shooting them as much as the Smith, for several reasons. (Personally, I think they're the best looking DA Ruger wheelgun.)

    Then there's the Super Redhawk. Waaaayyy overboard for a .44 Mag. Good choice for the .454. Not the most svelte or handsome gun... :rolleyes:

    And...
    No. There's a lot of competition for that crown these days. Ruger doesn't make anything to compete with Smith's X-Frames, or the BFR single actions, or the Freedom Arms guns.


    But all-in-all, they make fine quality wheelguns that will be very unlikely to ever let you down.
     
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  2. PabloJ

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    I had three Rugers (28ga 0/U, Security Six .357, and LCP) and zero problems with them. The complexity of O/U firing mechanism was shocking jet it worked fine. It testimonial to fine abilities of their design and engineering departments.
     
  3. CraigC
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    Haters hate, it's what they do. Sometimes folks let something stick in their craw and they never let it go. Ruger builds a good gun at a fair price. Nothing more, nothing less. They're not perfect but they shouldn't be expected to be. I've owned 30 various Ruger guns over the years and they've all been good guns. Some have been excellent. Some have been good enough to sink another $1500 into. Had a bad one that Ruger promptly replaced.


    It only looks that way because of the frame extension. The cylinder is the same as the Redhawk. If you look at weights, they're actually quite comparable. Except that the Super is much more comfortable to shoot due to the grip design (old wood insert rubber grips, not the new Hogue's). My .480 SRH is much more comfortable than my 7½" .44 Redhawk was.
     
  4. Sam1911

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    Yeah, the Super is a good choice for the .480. I really enjoyed one I got to shoot. A highly underrated cartridge, that.
     
  5. bsms

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    My favorite gun for shooting is a Ruger Vaquero Montado. My 686+ has a much nicer trigger, although the Ruger Alaskan I used to own had a better trigger than my 686+. I prefer a J-frame for carry, but may someday buy a Ruger LCP.

    Like most folks here, I view each gun as an individual gun.
     
  6. buck460XVR

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    .....and many times folks take it personal and feel offended when others don't agree with their choices. If you are happy with a firearm, regardless of maker, your confidence in that choice should not suffer just because another internet poster has a different opinion. Folks sometimes feel the need to belittle other's choices to justify theirs. To me, this shows me someone who has little confidence in their own choices.


    Well said.
     
  7. CraigC
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    Agreed, 100%!
     
  8. Blue Brick

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    Well I am not going to go back and repost any previous quotes, so let’s just say the view of Ruger’s has changed and everyone loves them. :)
     
  9. HKGuns

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    I've read mostly nothing but positive comments on Rugers here. Perhaps the tone has changed but I'd not hesitate to buy or own a Ruger revolver.
     
  10. StrawHat

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    With handguns, I have owned both and ended up selling the Rugers. The Security Sixes I had were heavier and had trigger pulls that were diffficult to improve. The Redhawk and SBH were a lot more revovler than I wanted to carry when chambered in the 44 Magnum. For competition, I ended up rebuilding a S&W M64, rebarreling and reworking the action. I also reworked a couple of L frames. The S&W action was an easy one to improve, not sure if that is true today but when I was competing and gunsmithing, it was true. I still handle Rugers and they are still heavier than I care to see for the given cartridge.

    I don't have any experieince with Ruger rifles, except a 77/22. I installed a new barrel and areworked the bolt and trigger group. It is a good hunting rifle, heavier than I would like, but very accurate.
     
  11. Alaska444

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    Wow, people HATE Rugers? Where are they, who are they, let me find them.:banghead:

    I own three, the SP101 .357, a six inch GP100 .357 and my favorite, the Super Redhawk .44 magnum 7.5 inch revolver.

    I like the weight of my SRH which helps tame my top end ammo from Buffalo Bore. I am much better at shooting a rifle, but the revolvers are really great guns. No, most are not lightweight but they do have lightweight models as well. Pick and choose your best choice, Ruger pretty much has it all and they are one of the strongest and best built gun on the market. Great gun and THR has many that appreciate them a well.
     
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    That is your OPINION, not a fact, and not true in either case. Ruger's are bulkier due to their method of construction. Freedom Arms makes the strongest (and better quality) than any Ruger
     
  13. Sergei Mosin

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    Rugers aren't always the sexiest things out there (with some notable exceptions, such as the No.1 and the M77 RSI) but they're affordable and they work. I own two (a 10/22 and a GP100) and I hope to eventually own more.
     
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    There are of course some that elevate a certain brand of handgun to the top, and reject consideration of any others. But on this forum (and I joined it when it first got started) it has been my experience that Ruger products (revolvers in particular) have never lacked strong and vocal supporters. I consider myself to be one of them. From a cosmetic perspective it can be said that others are better finished, but they are nowhere close to Ruger's price points. No one offers more gun for the money, and it should be noted that they are made in the good ol' USA!
     
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    Well, golly, wouldn't you EXPECT a gun that costs almost THREE times as much to be better fitted and finished? The guns you are talking about are built specifically for cartridges with extremely high pressures, and are 5 shot revolvers in those calibers.

    Smith & Wesson HAD to go to the L-frame, as their K-frames couldn't withstand constant use with the caliber stamped on the barrel. That's THEIR reasoning. The Model 29 also suffered when people actually used the caliber it was built for, and they had to revamp it, as well, to keep it in service.

    Colt no longer makes a revolver, although they are supposedly bringing one back. So, if they were so "good" why couldn't Colt sell enough of them to keep them in the line-up?
     
  16. jmr40

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    Concern about Rugers weight is overstated.

    A 4" GP-100 weighs 40 oz
    A 4" 686 weighs 39.7

    I don't see .3 oz being a problem


    The Super Redhawk is a tank, but you still have the option of buying a much lighter Redhawk. When compared to a S&W

    A 5.5" Redhawk 44 mag weighs 47 oz.
    a 6" S&W 649 44 mag weighs 45 oz.

    In this type of gun 2 oz is not that much of a concern

    When you get to the snubbies S&W does a little better. The SP-101 has to be one of the most useless revolvers made. No sense in a 5 shot snubbie that heavy, but the new LCR is a lot better. Still not as light as many of the S&W offerings.

    For some reason Rugers have the perception of being a lot heavier. They are, but not by much.

    FWIW, I prefer S&W revolvers, but have a tremendous amount of respect for Rugers.
     
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    Google Colt and union trouble - plenty to read

    Now you want to back up and start adding qualifiers when you didn't in your first post........can't have it both ways....;)

    You like Rugers - OK, I can live with that - I do not - I have owned handguns, rifles and shotguns - my MKII was worthy of keeping, my Security Six was another, but the others - nope. Everyone talks about how they are built like a tank - who really wants to handle a tank? If you are happy with yours, good for you - I was not. I'll take Browning, Beretta, AyA, SKB, even S&W for quality shotguns, I'll take older Remingtons like my 700 BDL and Model 7 and Swede Mausers for rifles and I'll take S&W, HK, Beretta, Colt, Kahr and even Kimber for handguns over Ruger - but I would never say ANY one brand is the ultimate because different folks have different needs for their guns.
     
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    Like I said, the weights are comparable, the SRH just looks heavier. From another thread:

    "For instance, my .480 SRH is 2oz lighter than a Bisley Hunter .44 (54oz vs. 52oz). I don't know how accurate Ruger's advertised weights are but they have been better about that in recent years and list the 7½" Redhawk at 54oz, with the .44 Super Redhawk at 53oz."


    The SAA has been cataloged throughout 3rd generation production. They have recently re-introduced the New Frontier. Are double actions the only "revolvers" that exist to you guys???
     
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    While I have never personally liked Ruger DA revolvers as well as S&W, I can't say they are substandard or poorly made. Far from it. I've just never found a Ruger revolver (or any other Ruger) with a trigger that I could stand out of the box.

    My brother has a Super Blackhawk in .45 Colt with a 5.5" bbl that is OK, but not great. The trigger is typical Ruger and needs to have the pull weight cut in half along with the over travel. I am also not too fond of the aluminum grip frame, and aluminum ejector shroud that don't match the rest of the blued gun. Additionally the front sight is way way too short to be sighted in with bullets much over 255gr, making heavy loads worthless.

    So to make it worthwhile it needs a steel grip frame for better balance and a steel ejector shroud for cosmetics. Then it would need some decent trigger work and an over travel screw installed. Then it needs to have a front sight base installed that allows for differing front sights to be interchanged, so a wider range of different bullet weights can be used.

    Of course once this work is accomplished and paid for and the original price of the gun is also factored in, a guy could buy a Freedom Arms Model 83 field grade. Which will be a better made gun anyway.
     
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    During the R&D of the Old Army, the cylinders (all of them) were filled up with Bulls eye smokeless power and fired. After many repeated attempts they were unsuccessful in blowing it up.
     
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    I hate Rugers. I've spent thousands of dollars on them. :D
     
  22. MarshallDodge

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    I have no issue with Ruger revolvers and own two Vaqueros.

    Their other stuff tends to be bulkier and not as refined as say a S&W revolver which is my preference. The LCR looks like a step in the right direction.

    That being said, I don't think anyone can call their reliability or quality into question.
     
  23. chez323

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    I love my Rugers, fill a nice niche in my collection. Have an SP101 and a GP100 plus 2 Blackhawks..... they are on par with my S&W 686 & 629 in quality, fit and finish.
     
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    Ah. "Point of View".

    That "point of view" seems to have whored out the very concept of Freedom and the Second Amendment.
     
  25. Sergei Mosin

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    Bill Ruger was a businessman trying to save his company at a time when it looked as though the entire firearms industry was at risk. He believed that some compromise was necessary; an uncompromising stand at that time might well have meant the end of his company, maybe of the industry, perhaps even of the Second Amendment itself. So he, and the rest of the industry, compromised so that they could live to fight another day. Bill didn't live to see that day, but the rest of us have, and we are fighting back now, and we are winning. But it's easy to forget how bad things looked for us in the days when Bill Ruger and others were making the compromises that allowed us to reach the present day in such good shape.
     
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