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Ruger GP100 .44 Sp for HOT Loads

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by RugRev, Sep 23, 2020.

  1. RugRev

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    One reason cited that the Ruger GP100 in .44Special cannot handle hot loads is due to the thin forcing cone. I often wondered why no one thought of using a barrel with a thicker shank and forcing cone to get around this problem. It appears Marc Morganti at Gemini Custom has done just that.

    Here is a link to an offering on his website:

    https://www.geminicustoms.com/ultim...ing_wp_cron=1600896610.9770340919494628906250

    Scroll down to the section "Ultimate Trail and Field Package for Ruger GP100® ".
    Here is a picture from his website of the forcing cone on the new barrel:

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  2. Drail

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    Well I see he had to make the cut under the forcing cone just like S&W did on their .357s to make room for the crane. Personally I see no reason whatsoever to push a .44 Spl. cartridge or gun to a point where the thin forcing cone becomes a problem. Yes the cone is a limit but I have been loading for and shooting an original S&W 696 and a Charter Bulldog with a thin cone and 200 gr. [email protected] 900 fps. have not proved to be any problem for that L frame or the Charter and pack plenty of cowbell for me. They will take a bowling pin off a table with authority just like a .45 ACP (maybe a little better). I think an awful lot of guys buy a .44 Spl. and then believe they just have to push it up to .44 Mag. levels - and that WILL trash the cone.
     
  3. Sneakshot92

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    Agreed. The 44spl is a fantastic cartridge in it's own right.
     
  4. Dan-O

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    Interesting. I agree that it should be able to handle a steady diet of hottish loads as is without the gemini upgrade.

    Looks nice though
     
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  5. Drail

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    Shooting a medium frame revolver with a 200 gr. .44 slug @ 900 fps is just a pure joy. It's like the old time western guns - just a push instead of wrist snapping torque and balls of fire. My wife loves to shoot them too. If it makes Major power for USPSA (it does) I'll carry it on the street and not worry. The Ruger GP and the S&W L frame are fantastic carry guns IF you use a good belt and holster. You only get 5 tries for your quarter but if you can hit what you aim at - it's enough.
     
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  6. 357smallbore

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    I own a Rossi 720. It as well has a thin cone. But I shoot 200grn lead SWC for practice. Never an issue
     
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  7. Riomouse911

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    GP 100 here as well. A .200 gr coated RNFP over 7.0 gr Unique is plenty fun from it or the Blackhawk.

    I’m I want .44 Mag performance I’ll grab another gun, the Special is just that...as it is. ;)

    Stay safe.
     
  8. Typetwelve

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    I'll say that is one impressive package...but holy cow, $2847 + the original cost of the gun? Woa momma...too hot for my blood.
     
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  9. Meeks36

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    Why not get a pistol that can handle the loads you want without spending more then it's worth?
     
  10. RugRev

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    I will agree that the price is a bit stratospheric but wanted to throw the information out. One could have several tuned and enhanced guns for the price. Depends upon what one wants. When the gun first appeared many were griping that the GP100 .44 would not handle Keith loads, at least on a sustained basis. How many would actually shoot them? Some must want something that would take 255 gr bullets at the velocity (or more) or there would not be a market for a 2.75" S&W 69. Guess it would depend upon what one wants to defend against, 2 legged or 4 legged. In the latter case, there is a market for medium frames capable of employing such rounds where the gun is not a primary hunting weapon but something a bit lighter to carry for a just in case situation.
     
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  11. MJ

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    240g at 850 FPS will do for me.

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    I liked the Kieth load but am also happy a wee bit slower. It just keeps getting better.
     
  12. shoebox1.1

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    Y’all got to stop all these 44 special conversations. Your making my fantasies of having one even worse! Cmon fella. Your killin me lol
     
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  13. Drail

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    Absolutely right. That's .45 ACP level right there and nobody says the .45 ACP is a weak cartridge.
     
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  14. MJ

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    Be strong and fight it. LOL

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    Right there with ya....
     
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  16. Cemo

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    I am a GP100 fan and when Ruger introduced the Gp100 44 Special, I had to get one. It is a joy to shoot, easy on both the wrist an ears. I reload a 200 gr coated flat nose lead at 900 fps. I would like the 10mm version, but have a Blackhawk 10/40 Convertibe to get me by for now.
     
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  17. RugRev

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    Another tidbit: When Dave Clements was doing his .44 SP GP100 conversions he claimed he used the factory barrel rebored to .44 SP. He also claimed the conversion would shoot 250 grain bullets at 1200 fps. He did not mention the barrel length. I wonder what it was? When American Rifleman test a 3" GP100 with the hot Buffalo Bore 255 gr load they got 934 fps as I recall (Buffalo Bore states fps as 1000). I wonder if Clements was using the Keith loading?
     
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    I shoot 240s at around 1000fps, and have seen no issues in the relatively few rounds I've shot. I haven't tried any Keith loads yet, and probably won't.
    The 240s at 1k are all I really wanna shoot out of that gun.

    I've got an SBH that can drive the same bullets to 1500fps or so and be comfortable doing it, so no major need.
     
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    With the advent of the S&W 96, hot rodding the .44 Spl became a moot point to me, and I love the .44 Spl.
     
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