Ruger LCP fell apart while shooting

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My buddy was shooting a new to him Ruger LCP, it appears what happened was that the retaining pin fired out of the gun while in battery also ejecting the guide rod and recoil springs which could not be found in the shooting pile. One round was left in the barrel which remained in the slide.

One way or another the gun is on the way back to Ruger, any guesses as to the cause? I'm going with the hole drilled for holding the pin was to big?

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That's the 3rd case of a complete falling apart I've read of in 8 years. The pin walking out has been a problem for a few more.
Ruger will make it right.
 
Well it is made out of plastic... :evil:

(Old Fuff who doesn't have a plastic pistol runs for cover... :D)
 
My first LCP (previous version, but model was post-recall) had a "walking" takedown pin. It shifted under recoil during the first range session, not being retained by the wire spring. It happened 2 or 3 times for me in that first and second range session, and also in the hands of someone else shooting it.

I called Ruger and they sent me another takedown pin. (They offered to have the gun returned for inspection, but I asked to just try a new takedown pin, first.) That replacement takedown pin didn't shift under recoil.

Looking at the 2 takedown pins, I could almost see that the first pin's retaining ridge/lip wasn't as prominent as on the second pin. Easy to suspect the round wire spring slipped over the lip under recoil forces. (The wire spring appeared fine, from what I could see, and seemed to have sufficient tension.)

FWIW, I also tried one of those aftermarket takedown pins that have a large slot machined into the body, into which the retaining spring fits (slot head that can be turned to align wire spring inside the pin body's machined slot, and to disassemble the gun). I tried it one time at the range, and the pin actually rotated under recoil so the machined slot no longer held the wire spring, and that pin walked out under recoil, too. I won't be using it again. I'm still using the replacement (second) factory takedown pin Ruger sent me, and it's continued to be fine.

The takedown pin in my second (stainless) LCP has yet to shift or walk, and seems to work as intended.

Unless your buddy knows the previous owner, since it was bought as a used gun there's no real way to know how it was treated or whether anything was "modified" before he bought it. Maybe the previous owner fired some hot-rodded "+P" .380 loads, and something was damaged. Ruger would have to determine whether it was a defect or owner-induced damage in that case.
 
Thanks everyone for the replies, yes he knows the previous owner and it was not abused.

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An LC9's firing pin assembly fell out on a new gun. Sent it back to Ruger and it came back solid. They pump so many of them out, I think they don't always tighten down the loose parts before shipment. Probably 3rd shifters. :cuss:
 
They are figuring things out. I recently purchased an LC9s for my daughter. The pin is in there really good. In fact, I had to use a brass drift to get it out. They have also re positioned it a bit so that you have to push the slide back about 3/4" to expose the pin.

In any case, Ruger will make it right.
 
And folks, this is WHY one test their defense guns well before carrying them.

Never know when you will uncover a flaw.

Deaf
 
And folks, this is WHY one test their defense guns well before carrying them.

Never know when you will uncover a flaw.

Deaf
My LCP problems came about AFTER a few hundred rounds. Ruger sent me a refund and I got a Colt Mustang, a much better gun.
 
It's hard to make out in the photo, but does that box of Golden Sabers say +P+ on it? If so, that's a huge clue. There are no SAAMI specs for exceeding standard pressure in the .380 cartridge, and the LCP manual warns against any such ammunition.
 
It's hard to make out in the photo, but does that box of Golden Sabers say +P+ on it? If so, that's a huge clue. There are no SAAMI specs for exceeding standard pressure in the .380 cartridge, and the LCP manual warns against any such ammunition.
Standard. Not plus p

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This is obviously a design flaw in a model which is still in its infancy. Ruger is a first class company (and I'm not just saying that because I live in NH); I'm confident they will work out all these bugs (excuse the pun).
 
LCP's been out since 2008, it oughta be de-bugged by now. :)

I worked with two of the early ones & I'm working with a new one now.
Never had a problem with the takedown pin.
Denis
 
LCP's been out since 2008, it oughta be de-bugged by now. :)

I worked with two of the early ones & I'm working with a new one now.
Never had a problem with the takedown pin.
Denis
Fired round that comes with it says 2012 [emoji6]

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Call Ruger. I had a minor problem with my LCP. I returned it to Ruger using an email supplied shipping label. Ruger fixed it. I had it back home in less than 7 days. Ruger customer service was exemplary.
 
As I mentioned in another thread today, I'm thinking of scrapping my LCP and getting something similar, probably a Sig. It won't cycle hollow points well, some not at all, and the newer ones since they dropped the price seem to be crap. I'm not sure if they're any better now than the Kel Tecs, and I wouldn't carry one of those if they paid me to.

I just bought a new one, because the price was good, and the magazine catch is messed up. The magazine won't latch unless you push backwards as you're pushing it in. It's something you have to make a conscious effort to do. The gen 1 LCPs were not like this at all. I called Ruger about it, and not only were they aware of the problem, but they claimed it was designed that way! I'm probably never going to buy a Ruger again. They've been on my black list in the past, and it looks like they're about to go back on it.
 
Call Ruger. I had a minor problem with my LCP. I returned it to Ruger using an email supplied shipping label. Ruger fixed it. I had it back home in less than 7 days. Ruger customer service was exemplary.
I'm not trying to start a thing, but that's exactly what people say about Kel Tec and Taurus, and it's absolutely true. They have the best CS in the industry because they've discovered it's more profitable to sell cheap guns and replace them on the rare occasion someone shoots it enough to break it or notice flaws.

The fact is that most people don't shoot their guns. They buy them, shoot them once, then put the gun into their night stand and never shoot it again. Most people with CCW permits don't even shoot that much, most of them once a year or less. It simply doesn't make good economical sense to build quality guns for that crowd, despite the fact that it's the right thing to do regardless. After all, we would be pretty screwed if that logic was carried over to other things we rarely use, such as fire extinguishers and smoke alarms.
 
You are right grampajack.

Case in point, ever notice how many new and wonderful, best design ever firearms are introduced then almost immediately recalled after the flood of complaints from buyers?
These companies use customers as their research and development team as they desperately try to recover initial set up money.

The LCP is nothing more than the Kel-Tec by another name and tends to have the same issues.

I have guns built almost 100 years ago that are still in top shooting combat ready state.
Most of us won't be around to see how well the newest bestest ya gotta have this whiz bang crunchentickers will fare in that space of time...
 
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