Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Badger Arms, Jan 30, 2004.
I would like to see the video when you can get back and post it. stay safe and keep your head down
commit you to a second shot after the first shot is fired.
If you are shooting at any distance other than pretty close range, the second shot will be an automatic miss if you release the trigger immediately, and the requirement to immediately let the second round fly would prevent you from having a decent follow-through (thereby making your first shot worse, as well). If you hold the second shot to speed up your transitions, you open up the whole "now what do I do with it" can of worms.
IMHO, a mod that screws up your long-range shooting, slows down your target-to-target transitions (by adding a second recoil pulse, and requiring the gun to hang onto each target for the second shot), and is only faster than a conventional "hammer" by a small fraction of a second if you do need to shoot twice, isn't something I'd want on any of my guns, even if somebody paid me to let them install it.
To me, the primary rationale for it would be to slightly reduce your split times when firing hammers on close-range targets in a defensive situation. But to me, the drawbacks outweigh any advantages, and I'm not even considering the civil liability issues in a defensive shooting (egads).
I'm a bit concerned about the safety myself and wouldn't likely do this if I had to give up traditional firing ability altogether, but might be inclined to tinker with an optional, selector setup. If i did, it'd more likely be via a special fcg that I wouldn't leave in the gun--just to prevent me from forgeting or surprising another operator of the rifle.
Prior to the government regulations that made it so incredibly difficult to tinker, Americans tended to be innovative and were capable of engineering new systems and technologies. If Moses Browning were alive today, I wonder what he'd be doing--not designing revolutionary firearms, I'd bet.
Kind off topic there 'eh?
I wonder how many folks have been unintentionally shot with those autoresponses? You'd think a plenty.
Zombie Thread - it keeps getting resurrected.
the 2-shot thing would be pretty cool, though.
I just heard and read about the shoestring method recently and relayed the story to an old shooting buddy. He then told me about the staple and showed me one of his videos. Of course I had to do some Googling for the legalities on the staple to see if it fell into the same 'MG' nonsense as the string. All I have found is this thread. Seems to be a fairly unknown method.
From what I can see, it's reliable. He was using factory magazines, and I have no idea if that was a real factor in it, but any Mini owner knows what non-Ruger mags can be like.
Anyways, I brought the video home so I could play with it. It's a bit fuzzy but I was able to load it up, slow it down, and zoom in well enough to try to count the RoF. The only good, solid firing section that had audio and video in the same scene shows me that the rifle fired at least 8-10 rounds per second, or 480-600 per minute, if my math is correct. I believe the AC556 is capable of over 700 per minute, so I don't know what could actually be done with just the staple method.
One thing is for sure- It looks like fun. If for no other reason, it's certainly a file worthy of the Rainy Day Knowledge Bank.
As for safety... I figure if you're forgetful enough that the 'second shot will happen' fact slips your mind that easily, you probably shouldn't be handling a rifle in the first place. I can't imagine someone just setting it up and leaving it that way. But.... Stranger things have happened.
As of now, the video is only on my hard drive, but if anyone shows real interest, I'll load up a light file and post a link.
OK. Give me some time to piece one together and slap it on YouTube or elsewhere and I'll let you know.
Okay, I now have the "Troll Video" processed and posted on YouTube. Enjoy.
Could do without this whole thread for the same reason.
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