Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Badger Arms, Jan 30, 2004.
With the federal government, there are often no appeals with any 'teeth' at all, and many interpretations are used to justify their grossly over-bloated bureaucracies and certain careerist motivations.
If the ATF has any staff who are as arrogant and arbitrarily vindictive as some elements within the FAA Medical and Certification Branch (happened to a friend), you could not pay me $50,000 to shoot a gun with such an alteration. Read up on what happened to expert Bob Hoover several years ago after a typical airshow (loop, then a roll with both engines shutdown/'feathered').
Some of them would have fit into Stalin's NKVD really well.
2 shot Mini 14 / Mini 30 ARE Safe.....
1st. Soes any one remember when Ruger made a Full Auto version of the Mini 14 for LE only? My local class 3 dealer has one. 2nd. The staple two shot mod is completely legal and SAFE. I say safe because the bolt is in total lock-up before the trigger is released. You have to retrain you shooting in order to get accuracy. Remember the military is training their riflemen to shoot accurately with a 3 shot burst since this is more controllable than full auto. In my area we have a class 3 range for the sportsmen who like to shoot full auto and I've see the Ruger 2 shot Mini's in action. The shooters were getting decent accuracy with them. Check your local range to see if they allow class 3 weapons and if so you can shoot you 2 shot mini and remember to take a copy of the BATF letter with you. Practice with all your firearms for both sport and more importantly self defense. That's my two cents
Thumbs up to Badger_Arms (Ressurecting thread again)
I do have an important question below but first; Thanks to Badger_Arms for all your info on this Mini-14 "Staple" method including the image and the BATF Letter (which I hope will help me at the range if the local Police show up!). I agree completely with and want to sum up all 4 or so years of your responses to the people calling this unsafe for the various reasons they have come up with. Stupidity on behalf of the shooter (gun owner or staple inserter if not the shooter in one of the cases) is absolutely the only thing unsafe about this method if you are;
A. First and foremost, Being stupid enough to do this mod to your Mini and then let someone "unaware" of it fire the weapon. (Yes I know, WAIT FOR IT)
B.(WAIT FOR IT) Being stupid enough to NOT remove the staple when your use of it is over (or even after just putting the gun down). It took me about 15 seconds to put in my very first staple (which was successful BTW) and takes about half that time to pop it out, therefore you should do so for good measure.
C. Being stupid enough to fire a shot in a situation that you have even the slightest possibly to not want the second round fired.
D. Being stupid enough to hold back the release of the trigger long enough for the above mentioned situation to arise (which basically defeats the purpose of the mod if you do so anyway so that's a bad argument).
E. Being stupid enough to "Not be prepared" for the gun to fire again upon release of the trigger, which would / should ONLY ever happen if you are either STUPID or you are the "someone" in my example - A. (which is a result of stupidity as well).
F. Being stupid enough to do any of the other "what-if's" argued to Badger_Arms over the years.
Personally I do agree there's not much of a practical use for this and it IS mainly for the "cool factor" for those of us that spend their money on kid's toys for their children and can't afford the real deal. So now that I've used the word "Stupid" enough to last this forum's lifetime I have 1 question: What is the "dreaded accident" that can happen mentioned by "JollyGreenGiant" in a previous post? Was he referring to this staple mod? I am a bit afraid the answer may nullify all my good points above, though I'm hoping it can add one more "Be stupid enough" to the list! Thanks guys, don't flame me too much! Just had a little time on my hands tonight...
Down that road lies Sotomayor & Kagan et. al. and the evolution from the rule of law to the rule by fiat of the the ruler's appointed lackey's.
That's an ignorant simplistic mindset. You don't just fire one shot and hold the trigger. Each time you shoot, you commit to firing two shots in rapid succession, and then you carry that action out according to that commitment (In such a way that it is effectively one action.
The way you worded your post was as to suggest that a person firing such a weapon would have no choice but to fire once by compressing the trigger, and then hold it. It would be ridiculous for a person to operate such a weapon in that manner, and doing so would be the choice of the shooter. It's foolish to assume that an unsafe situation such as the one you described is inherent.
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