Ruger mini 14 vs AR15 accuracy challenge. Calling all Ruger Mini14 shooters

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Here's the best 100-yard group my 188-series Ranch Rifle ever shot in the 16 years I owned it, with or without optics, with or without premium ammunition, from a front rest and rear bag, cool barrel, windless day:

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Yeah, that's why I sold it. The ironic thing is that it shot just as badly with Winchester Premium Match 69gr and high-end Remington and Winchester 55gr as it did with Winchester white box.
 
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I made my own accu-strut as well , with almost identical results.
I wish i had younger eyes too :(
 

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I think I'll take an iron sighted AR and the bolt CZ in .223 with me too and make a morning of it. By the way, are we talking only stock Minis for the prize?
 
I would have no trouble putting 5 shots in 2.5 with my mini-14 using WWB 45gr JHP, if I do my job. However, that is the ONLY load I have ever shot that would perform well in my gun.
 
If you want to add to the pot I'll be more than happy to expand the challange. Remember I'm footing the bill here
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You misunderstand me - I'm not suggesting you should *expand* the challenge. I'm suggesting you should *change* the challenge. :)
 
I am interested in seeing how this plays out....

I spent months and $$$$ on modifications of my mini including all flavors of bedding, custom carbon stocks, floating, and on and on...

That piece of scrap-iron couldn't hold to a 4 1/2" circle at 50m to save itself.
 
Wow! I had no idea that Mini 14s where so inaccurate. I suppose I am spoiled with AR15s that are consistently sub HALF MOA.

I suppose 3-5MOA for a ranch rifle isn't too bad. Most AKs are just as bad.

It is amazing that Mini 14/30 owners even bother with accuracy test, with all of the derision and ridicule that it causes them.:banghead:

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I think you should expand the challenge to include scoped rifles. No reason to add an unduly large element of potential for human error when what we're trying to test here is RIFLES, not humans.
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Oh that would be just plain mean. :D
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I think I'll take an iron sighted AR and the bolt CZ in .223 with me too and make a morning of it. By the way, are we talking only stock Minis for the prize?
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The man said

Using Iron sights from the bench
shoot two targets at 100yds
both groups will be 5 shots
all 10 rds must be fired within 3 minutes
the average group size for the two must be under 2.5"
both "targets" must be the same and have AR15 vs Mini14 hand written on them
post pics of the targets together
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I don't see anything in there about using or not using a modified Mini 14, just so long as you were shooting with irons from the bench and the groups fit. He didn't say factory irons, he didn't say standard Mini 14.
 
No I'm not going to disallow modified rifles. This match is mini vs ar and let's face it, what's a stock ar15?


If it takes a heavily modified mini to claim this prize what does this say for the MINI?

Please submit targets though mini or not so we can show that this can be done
 
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Here's the best 100-yard group my 188-series Ranch Rifle ever shot in the 16 years I owned it, with or without optics, with or without premium ammunition, from a front rest and rear bag, cool barrel, windless day:
No offense, but that's not the gun that's the shooter unless the rifle is moving around in the stock.
 
what about mini users that have a bull barrel and 500 bucks worth of accurizing add ons... they are in the AR price range- you should stipulate factory rifles only

oh, nevermind, didnt notice page 2 comments
 
Hmm. Great idea. I wish I could play. Unfortunately I sold my 580 Mini already. I am pretty sure it would meet your challenge. My only reservation is the 3 minute limit limit.

I only normally shoot 5 round groups, with about 8 seconds between shots on average. But I normally allow a barrel to cool between groups. I am confident it would easily shoot sub 2.5" for one 5 shot group using inexensive Federal bulk pack 50 grain JHP... not sure about 2 groups in a row within a 3 minute window.

I am interested to see some targets come in.
 
Listen to the mini owners lol

"Well, it could but not within 3 minutes, I need to let it cool down"

"Are we allowing rods bolted down and clamped and welded and ..."

"Thats the shooter and not the gun"

yeesh.
 
DOM is you are going to quote and expect to not discredit yourself, you should do so accurately - without exageration or embelishment.

First I am not a Mini owner. I clearly mentioned I sold the gun.

Second, I did not say "Well, it could but not within 3 minutes, I need to let it cool down". You can see what I said, it is directly above your post. It is not what you put in quotes.

I am not an owner trying to somehow defend the Mini. I am a former owner providing honest input based on my personal experience with the gun. Nothing more or less. Obviously if I was a big fan of the gun I would not have sold it.

Please keep things at an adult level.
 
I was purposely exaggerating for the sake of humor.

You have to admit it is funny. Sorry if the humor is juvenile.

Its like people who love their old coon hound, even tho he never could tree coon. Loyalty afforded to the mini is amazing. And humourous, to me at least.
 
It's about time that I join this discussion to set the record straight on one major oversight. There are some folks such as myself that own ARs and Mini-14s and like both systems for different reasons. I like the Mini enough to have one and I like ARs enough to have four. I will participate in this "challenge" without any excuses and in the name of science and could care less about winning a couple of boxes of ammo. However, I do like working up loads and knowing what each of my firearms is capable of. My involvement in this is not about seeing which rifle is better since I have both platforms for different reasons and don't consider them to be competitors.

I can say without a doubt that all of my ARs are more accurate and consistent than my Mini-14 (bought new in '96) but the Mini is stainless, 100% reliable, rugged, accurate enough and compact so I like it for what it is. I look forward to seeing what it's capable of at 100 yards with factory ammunition (XM193) and my reloads. The only "upgrade" I have is an adjustable gas block and a Hogue stock, both of which have helped accuracy. Why subject the rifle to the battering (and harmonics) that it takes each time it hurls an empty case into the next zip code? M14/M1A owners have been playing with gas regulation for decades to improve accuracy and longevity so why not the Mini?

If we can avoid some of the idiotic posts that infest the thread below maybe we can all learn something.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=485033

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It's about time that I join this discussion to set the record straight on one major oversight. There are some folks such as myself that own ARs and Mini-14s and like both systems for different reasons. I like the Mini enough to have one and I like ARs enough to have four. I will participate in this "challenge" without any excuses and in the name of science and could care less about winning a couple of boxes of ammo. However, I do like working up loads and knowing what each of my firearms is capable of. My involvement in this is not about seeing which rifle is better since I have both platforms for different reasons and don't consider them to be competitors.

I can say without a doubt that all of my ARs are more accurate and consistent than my Mini-14 (bought new in '96) but the Mini is stainless, 100% reliable, rugged and compact so I like it for what it is. I look forward to seeing what it's capable of at 100 yards with factory ammunition (XM193) and my reloads. The only "upgrade" I have is an adjustable gas block and a Hogue stock, both of which have helped accuracy. Why subject the rifle to the battering (and harmonics) that it takes each time it hurls an empty case into the next zip code? M14/M1A owners have been playing with gas regulation for decades to improve accuracy and longevity so why not the Mini?

If we can avoid some of the idiotic posts that infest the thread below maybe we can all learn something.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=485033

:)
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well said!
 
I agree, well said. Let's try to keep it High Road.

Darn, I do not have rear irons for the Mini. I took them off when I installed the red dot and don't know where they went. I guess I'm out on the Mini unless I can scrouge some from one of you guys in KCMO.

ETA: I could shoot a couple groups, just not for the prize.
 
I agree, well said. Let's try to keep it High Road.

Darn, I do not have rear irons for the Mini. I took them off when I installed the red dot and don't know where they went. I guess I'm out on the Mini unless I can scrouge some from one of you guys in KCMO.
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You don't win the prize without irons, but how about shooting anyway and posting what you get?

Heck, I don't care if your Mini is scoped, unscoped, modified, or stock, I just want to see what you mini shooters come up with while shooting, and please post the details of how your rifle is configured.
 
The last I shot my stock H-Bar it would put 5 in under an inch. The Carbines are maybe 1.5. Of course that is at 100yds. not the 22yds as shown on the sweet You tube video, are those guys really serious?
 
Just for comparison:

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Bushmaster w/DCM upper. Iron sights, slung-in prone position. 20 rounds at 200 yards, fired in about 15 minutes.

This is not my target. Fired by a friend last summer during a reduced course of fire.
 
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