janobles14
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im just shocked that noone has even submitted anything! hell i might go borrow a buddies mini just to give it a go
Ruger mini 14 vs AR15 accuracy challenge. Calling all Ruger Mini14 shooters
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Yea, the silence is deafening...
I would give the mini owners some time.
Its hard to get out to the range some weeks.
However I think alot of people are probably getting groups they dont WANT to post. So we will only see the cream of the crop.
I think it would be better to take signups, like get 10 AR guys and 10 mini guys to commit to posting a group. That way nobody can welsh out of it.
But internet competitions are really hard to orginize. so hopefully we will see some targets.
Its hard to get out to the range some weeks.
However I think alot of people are probably getting groups they dont WANT to post. So we will only see the cream of the crop.
I think it would be better to take signups, like get 10 AR guys and 10 mini guys to commit to posting a group. That way nobody can welsh out of it.
But internet competitions are really hard to orginize. so hopefully we will see some targets.
The problem I have is that the fall is the worst time for me to get to the range. Between football, volleyball, working, and holidays/preparing for holidays I get very few trips to range from a month or so ago to about the first of the new year. If I get to the range before this thread dies I will post EVERY group shot at 100 yards out of my AR, be that good or bad.
Finding commercial target grade ammo has been a real problem in these parts. Nothing is available with a heavier weight bullet. Reloading components are just as scarce. So it going to take awhile before I can get out to the range. I'm collecting reloading supplies just as fast as I can find them. 55gr FMJ is too light for my Mini's 1 in 7 twist barrel for target work. Unless you're a coyote, then it's good enough.
frankiestoys
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I will be heading to the range this weekend ( if it does'nt rain ) every trip with my mini has given me consistant 1 1/2 groups, but i use a scope. I believe ,(as many others have said ) that a scope helps the accuracy of the shooter (me) , not the rifle ,my eyes are just not that good ( sorry).
So if my tagets show the consistant groups ,even with the scope, i believe it's the rifles credit not mine.
Im not concerned about winning a box of ammo but showing the accuracy of the newer mini.
So if my tagets show the consistant groups ,even with the scope, i believe it's the rifles credit not mine.
Im not concerned about winning a box of ammo but showing the accuracy of the newer mini.
We've already covered that. Read the second page. Just have to use irons.
Then how about simply shooting the groups with a scope, posting what you get, and being honest about your equipment? You aren't eligible for the prize but at least you will prove your Mini can shoot the groups.
Ah, we have a shooter! Good luck, sir.
R.W.Dale
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Thank you Avenger29! I was just sitting down to make the same clarification.
By all means if you want to use your scoped mini to show us what this platform can do please feel free to submit targets same goes for the AR15/other guy's.
But you will not be eligable for the "grand prize"
Now as to WHY? 2.5" at 100yds, well it all goes back to the last paragraph of this post
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6025814&postcount=25
The purpose for the 2 boxes of ammo is it puts some of my "skin in the game" making this challenge. In fact making it an open challenge instead of just another trash talking session
By all means if you want to use your scoped mini to show us what this platform can do please feel free to submit targets same goes for the AR15/other guy's.
But you will not be eligable for the "grand prize"
Now as to WHY? 2.5" at 100yds, well it all goes back to the last paragraph of this post
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6025814&postcount=25
The purpose for the 2 boxes of ammo is it puts some of my "skin in the game" making this challenge. In fact making it an open challenge instead of just another trash talking session
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McBuck
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Andrew Wyatt
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Here's a better test.
Open to any rifle combination.
Shoot a rifle ten. post your score.
Rifle Ten
This is one of the classic drills used by Jeff Cooper. A single IPSC "option " target is placed at 300 yards. There are five firing points, one each at 300, 275, 250, 225, and 200. The shooter stands clear of his firing point at 300 yards.
On signal the shooter moves to the firing point , assumes any position he chooses and engages the 300 yard target with two rounds. He immediately moves to the 275 yard position firing two more shots, then advances to the 250 yard position, fires two more rounds, and then to the 225 yard position where a 2 foot high baffle precludes prone or supine position and fires two more rounds. He the moves to the 200 yard position where a 3 foot high screen eliminates any position but off hand or standing and fires two rounds.
Score is based upon the hit values divide by your time in minutes, with a par time of 2 minutes. To prevent someone throwing away the two 200 yard shots you can use a separate target for the 200 yard stage. The option target is scored 5, 4, 2. A score of 40 in two minutes is considered very good.
In interests of fairness, decrease all distances by 100 yards.
Open to any rifle combination.
Shoot a rifle ten. post your score.
Rifle Ten
This is one of the classic drills used by Jeff Cooper. A single IPSC "option " target is placed at 300 yards. There are five firing points, one each at 300, 275, 250, 225, and 200. The shooter stands clear of his firing point at 300 yards.
On signal the shooter moves to the firing point , assumes any position he chooses and engages the 300 yard target with two rounds. He immediately moves to the 275 yard position firing two more shots, then advances to the 250 yard position, fires two more rounds, and then to the 225 yard position where a 2 foot high baffle precludes prone or supine position and fires two more rounds. He the moves to the 200 yard position where a 3 foot high screen eliminates any position but off hand or standing and fires two rounds.
Score is based upon the hit values divide by your time in minutes, with a par time of 2 minutes. To prevent someone throwing away the two 200 yard shots you can use a separate target for the 200 yard stage. The option target is scored 5, 4, 2. A score of 40 in two minutes is considered very good.
In interests of fairness, decrease all distances by 100 yards.
Andrew Wyatt
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Exactly. I'm willing to bet upwards of five dollars no one on this thread can shoot well enough under conditions even slightly adverse for it to matter.
You can do all the drills you want. We've got people claiming that their Mini can hang with an AR-15 in the accuracy department, and Krochus has offered a challenge to those. We want to see what the rifle can do, not what the shooter is offering.
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McBuck
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You'd win. That would be a tough test for...99% of the average everyday shooter.
McBuck
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Avenger29 said
"You can do all the drills you want. We've got people claiming that their Mini can hang with an AR-15 in the accuracy department, and Krochus has offered a challenge to those. We want to see what the rifle can do, not what the shooter is offering."
I couldn't find the quote icon, so I copied and pasted...hope you don't mind.
I agree with you, and I am a Mini-14 owner. I have the 580 tactical with the 18" bbl.
As a rule, I think you are probably right...a good quality AR is probably more accurate than most Mini-14's. I would consider myself luck in that I got a pretty accurate Mini. It can hold about a 6"-4" 100 yard group with iron sights...but that is with my old eyes shooting it. A better shooter may do a little better.
With a scope I may be able to tighten it up some, but all in all I would say as a rule that AR's, or at least a good one, in the hands of a decent shot may fare a little better than a Mini. I would call a Mini a 4" gun and a good AR a 2.5" gun But there are exceptions to every rule.
If I scrape enough cash and can get my Mini scoped, I will post my target and let it stand.
btw...my Mini is stock off the shelf. It is a great little gun, and reliable to a fault. It tends to eat every thing I shove into it...factory mags only though...after market is for crap.
I actually wanted an AR, but I am one of those country boys who has to put his toys in lay-away, and pay oout over time. I did pick it up for about $400 less than what a Bushmaster was selling for at the time : that is the market for Mini-14 owners is anyway...a poor mans SHTF defense rifle. Nothing fancy, but it will serve a purpose.
I will add one more thing...I have owned several Minis in the past, and only one of them shot worth a flip. The rest were...I think some one called it "minute of barn"
"You can do all the drills you want. We've got people claiming that their Mini can hang with an AR-15 in the accuracy department, and Krochus has offered a challenge to those. We want to see what the rifle can do, not what the shooter is offering."
I couldn't find the quote icon, so I copied and pasted...hope you don't mind.
I agree with you, and I am a Mini-14 owner. I have the 580 tactical with the 18" bbl.
As a rule, I think you are probably right...a good quality AR is probably more accurate than most Mini-14's. I would consider myself luck in that I got a pretty accurate Mini. It can hold about a 6"-4" 100 yard group with iron sights...but that is with my old eyes shooting it. A better shooter may do a little better.
With a scope I may be able to tighten it up some, but all in all I would say as a rule that AR's, or at least a good one, in the hands of a decent shot may fare a little better than a Mini. I would call a Mini a 4" gun and a good AR a 2.5" gun But there are exceptions to every rule.
If I scrape enough cash and can get my Mini scoped, I will post my target and let it stand.
btw...my Mini is stock off the shelf. It is a great little gun, and reliable to a fault. It tends to eat every thing I shove into it...factory mags only though...after market is for crap.
I actually wanted an AR, but I am one of those country boys who has to put his toys in lay-away, and pay oout over time. I did pick it up for about $400 less than what a Bushmaster was selling for at the time : that is the market for Mini-14 owners is anyway...a poor mans SHTF defense rifle. Nothing fancy, but it will serve a purpose.
I will add one more thing...I have owned several Minis in the past, and only one of them shot worth a flip. The rest were...I think some one called it "minute of barn"
wow6599
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I will try to post some pics if I can make it to the range Sunday. I have a NRA Mini with a Nikon Prostaff 3-9x40 that will give me (at times) 1" groups @ 100 using WM $39.99 Federal 55 gr fmj "value packs". Sometimes it will open up to 1.5"-2". I just went last Saturday and shot with my father-in-law, my Mini and his new Rock River AR and the little NRA made shots a 75 yrds under 1" and the barrel was smoking. The AR, 3" +.
Now, i switched to Federal 50 gr hp and it opened up to 3" +. Also, he was using crap Wolf ammo, so I'll cut some slack.
I really do have an elusive MOA Mini (on good days) - without a single modification.
Now, i switched to Federal 50 gr hp and it opened up to 3" +. Also, he was using crap Wolf ammo, so I'll cut some slack.
I really do have an elusive MOA Mini (on good days
) - without a single modification.McBuck
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I am on the hopes that my Tactical Mini will shoot as well as yours wow6599.
I am anxious to get some glass on it and see what it will do. I am planning on putting a low power variable on it...maybe a Banner 1.5-4.5x32 because of the length and weight factor..Whaddya think ?
I do think that some of the ideas here are ..."accurate" to a pont. ( pun intended) and that most AR's are a little more accurate. But I will say that the Minis are typically more sturdy than an AR.
I am anxious to get some glass on it and see what it will do. I am planning on putting a low power variable on it...maybe a Banner 1.5-4.5x32 because of the length and weight factor..Whaddya think ?
I do think that some of the ideas here are ..."accurate" to a pont. ( pun intended) and that most AR's are a little more accurate. But I will say that the Minis are typically more sturdy than an AR.
I have a target mini-14 that shoots 3/4" groups consistently at 100 yds, using 68 grain Ultramax ammo ONLY. I've tried all the other bullet weights and manufacturers and can't match or beat that. I've not seen a scoped AR that can do that on a regular basis.
R.W.Dale
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Or better yet submit targets as per the rules in post one
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